Stock and the late models, a solution.

Billy Nees · 10-13-2010, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Daran Summerton

The easy fix is no heads up in the eliminator. If folks wish to spend $150,000 on a cupcake for $200 and a trophy for class well then God bless em. I'm not bashing but FI classes were deleted a couple years ago and class win payout remains unchanged. Hence, the poor car counts. I'm for combining sticks and autos with a drastic purse adjustment. Adding classes has already failed in the past. Division 2 is looking dismal and there doesn't appear to be any incentive to get racers excited about next year. When there is only 25 Stockers in the lanes the new cars really don't bother most unless you have a heads up. I think purse should be adjusted before classes are.

Daran, if we are going to go to that then why not go to my idea (sarcastic, of course)?
No more class designations, engine has to look stock, flat hood, 9" tires, dial the car and race! We can call it "ET-2".

Jack Matyas · 10-13-2010, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Daran, if we are going to go to that then why not go to my idea (sarcastic, of course)?
No more class designations, engine has to look stock, flat hood, 9" tires, dial the car and race! We can call it "ET-2".

What a way to start the day off - Billy and I agree on something - can't wait to see what happens the rest of today . Stock should be just that ..........more classes is not the answer . If we were to make all the changes that are suggested I wouldn't need the NHRA -- we could all just go to our local track every weekend .

Ken Miele · 10-13-2010, 08:20 AM

Jim,

You and I know that the new cars are not going away. For better or worse they are in Stock and will stay in Stock.

It does not matter what we call the new cars, I was just making a suggestion.

These are only ideas, and I would rather see constructive suggestions than beating a dead horse that they don't belong in stock.

Darren, Suggesting to make it a bracket racing only is not going to happen.

I ask members to please suggest ideas, if you wish to hammer NHRA, please do not do it in this thread.

Pete, your are probably right about the sticks, the cars are pretty equal today.

Dick Butler · 10-13-2010, 08:42 AM

Ken,
You have listed good thoughts.
Discussion of class combinations to reduce numbers is important too.
50 lb added to Stick wt is a good start. Many Stick classes are just not run as intensely as auto classes due to numbers of cars and cost and maintainence of the stick cars.
Latest clutchless trans (if used) can boost performance even more.
Heads up runs are a MUST in Stock and SS to keep it a "race" not a bracket show.
Crate motors, if given an equivalent factor of the motor they resemble are a positive.
No more junk yard searches.Issue is appearing like a non production car.
.75lb between classes has been discussed by Len Imbrogno as a definite workable separation which decreases classes.
Drag racing "Class Racing" needs the Factory excitement and involvement. BUT they need the limits managed better than in the 60s and 2000s have shown.
Now if NHRA just will really LISTEN or THINK constructively all will improve.

Signman · 10-13-2010, 10:42 AM

Apply correct HP ratings to the new cars.

Bob Pagano · 10-13-2010, 11:16 AM

Ken, I asked this question in another thread with no reply. You were at the Grove, did nhra have the so called meeting where they said they were going to ask racers to sit in on this subject ? (as per Bobby Bennett article) No one has said weather it happened or not. If nhra wants to showboat the new cars they need to be called FX so they dont confuse the people watching any more than they are. 4 or 5 classes more will not make a difference and as fast as they are it will show up in hp increases faster by making them run each other. If its not done there will be more cars for sale and people sitting out next year,

skills · 10-13-2010, 11:51 AM

I like some of the ideas here, putting the new cars in their own class seems cool so the factories can advertise this new cars. As for the person that said about the under 40 crowd not wanting a Camaro, Mustang or Challenger. As I member under 40 I would love a Challenger and think the new muscle cars a sweet, the problem is there really isnt a foreign company competing with them other than the 370z. I dont think NHRA listens to the racers, the fans and sponsors maybe the only ones to get Glendora to listen. More heads up stock and super stock racing would be great for everybody. I do enjoy bracket on the big level, but I would like to see the Challengers and Mustangs just fight it out and see who is better isnt that what these cars were for in the first place. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.

XSTOCKER · 10-13-2010, 12:13 PM

FX is the logical class designation. Let them race in stock and show case them in a separate eliminator at National events. With all the buzz around these cars, I can’t understand why NHRA hasn’t seized the opportunity to showcase these cars. Factory Top Stock. Pro Stock the way it was meant to be.

10-13-2010, 08:20 AM	#3
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 461 Liked 16,560 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: Stock and the late models, a solution. Jim, You and I know that the new cars are not going away. For better or worse they are in Stock and will stay in Stock. It does not matter what we call the new cars, I was just making a suggestion. These are only ideas, and I would rather see constructive suggestions than beating a dead horse that they don't belong in stock. Darren, Suggesting to make it a bracket racing only is not going to happen. I ask members to please suggest ideas, if you wish to hammer NHRA, please do not do it in this thread. Pete, your are probably right about the sticks, the cars are pretty equal today.

10-13-2010, 08:42 AM	#4
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Stock and the late models, a solution. Ken, You have listed good thoughts. Discussion of class combinations to reduce numbers is important too. 50 lb added to Stick wt is a good start. Many Stick classes are just not run as intensely as auto classes due to numbers of cars and cost and maintainence of the stick cars. Latest clutchless trans (if used) can boost performance even more. Heads up runs are a MUST in Stock and SS to keep it a "race" not a bracket show. Crate motors, if given an equivalent factor of the motor they resemble are a positive. No more junk yard searches.Issue is appearing like a non production car. .75lb between classes has been discussed by Len Imbrogno as a definite workable separation which decreases classes. Drag racing "Class Racing" needs the Factory excitement and involvement. BUT they need the limits managed better than in the 60s and 2000s have shown. Now if NHRA just will really LISTEN or THINK constructively all will improve.

10-13-2010, 10:42 AM	#5
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Stock and the late models, a solution. Apply correct HP ratings to the new cars. __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"

10-13-2010, 11:16 AM	#6
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 241 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Stock and the late models, a solution. Ken, I asked this question in another thread with no reply. You were at the Grove, did nhra have the so called meeting where they said they were going to ask racers to sit in on this subject ? (as per Bobby Bennett article) No one has said weather it happened or not. If nhra wants to showboat the new cars they need to be called FX so they dont confuse the people watching any more than they are. 4 or 5 classes more will not make a difference and as fast as they are it will show up in hp increases faster by making them run each other. If its not done there will be more cars for sale and people sitting out next year, __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

10-13-2010, 11:51 AM	#7
skills Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hershey,pa Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: Stock and the late models, a solution. I like some of the ideas here, putting the new cars in their own class seems cool so the factories can advertise this new cars. As for the person that said about the under 40 crowd not wanting a Camaro, Mustang or Challenger. As I member under 40 I would love a Challenger and think the new muscle cars a sweet, the problem is there really isnt a foreign company competing with them other than the 370z. I dont think NHRA listens to the racers, the fans and sponsors maybe the only ones to get Glendora to listen. More heads up stock and super stock racing would be great for everybody. I do enjoy bracket on the big level, but I would like to see the Challengers and Mustangs just fight it out and see who is better isnt that what these cars were for in the first place. Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.

10-13-2010, 12:13 PM	#8
XSTOCKER Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 147 Likes: 19 Liked 8 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Stock and the late models, a solution. FX is the logical class designation. Let them race in stock and show case them in a separate eliminator at National events. With all the buzz around these cars, I can’t understand why NHRA hasn’t seized the opportunity to showcase these cars. Factory Top Stock. Pro Stock the way it was meant to be.

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