Can you settle an argument?

[Rich Biebel]

Jack, owning that car today would be nice for more reasons than one!

I raced a car very similar for a few runs in about 1970. A '69 Z/28 in F/S. Black with white panels and black and white houndstooth interior. I loved that car and it was in near perfect shape. Went low 12's at York and was owned by a man named Al Lucas.....and we had fun racing together for a short stint. A sold lifter 302 compared to a hyd cammed 350 was not even close.....

[FED 387]

That 69 euro style front bumper was known as an ENDURO bumper---my 69 RS/SS 350 camaro had one-- never saw another one again also MINE DID NOT have a fold down rear seat have seen a coupla cars with them but do not know if they were swapped in or original to those cars-----Comp 387

[Jeff Lee]

In a nutshell, RS is an appearance package (except '67-'68 F41 as Dwight pointed out) and SS is a mechanical package. Since Z-28 includes, or is primarily, a mechanical package, it "trumps" the SS package.
This is an enduro bumper. $85K will buy this '69 Z-28.

Incidentally, I have some rare literature and documents streaming in on ebay. I recently read the procedure on the 1971 Mopar "B" body version of this bumper. There is 1/4" of one coating followed by 2 1/2" of the elastomeric coating! Talk about killing the weight distribution!

Here is a real '69 RS Z-28. Follow the link for more pictures and a very thorough description. Would love to have this car in my garage!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...t_44453wt_1161

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Jack, owning that car today would be nice for more reasons than one!

I raced a car very similar for a few runs in about 1970. A '69 Z/28 in F/S. Black with white panels and black and white houndstooth interior. I loved that car and it was in near perfect shape. Went low 12's at York and was owned by a man named Al Lucas.....and we had fun racing together for a short stint. A sold lifter 302 compared to a hyd cammed 350 was not even close.....

Rich -- As you can see in my pic I was also in F/S -but never did very well with it -- would you believe this car is still here in Bethlehem .....and he wants to sell it back to me but for pre-recession money .

[Nico]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

In a nutshell, RS is an appearance package (except '67-'68 F41 as Dwight pointed out) and SS is a mechanical package. Since Z-28 includes, or is primarily, a mechanical package, it "trumps" the SS package.
This is an enduro bumper. $85K will buy this '69 Z-28.

Incidentally, I have some rare literature and documents streaming in on ebay. I recently read the procedure on the 1971 Mopar "B" body version of this bumper. There is 1/4" of one coating followed by 2 1/2" of the elastomeric coating! Talk about killing the weight distribution!

Here is a real '69 RS Z-28. Follow the link for more pictures and a very thorough description. Would love to have this car in my garage!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...t_44453wt_1161

Not trying to be a wise guy, but my father has that exact car sitting in his garage. Same color and vinyl top. He bought it in '70, drag raced it in stock class and was world record holder at one time. The car hasn't seen the street since '71 and has 27,000 miles on the odometer.
Those who drag raced in Indiana back in the early '70's may remember it as being named Blitzkreig.
The original question has been answered, but a couple little known facts.
Being a former member of the United States Camaro Club, all 67-69 Z/28's came from the factory with rear bumper guards. A quick way to tell if the Z is original. Also, the front and rear spoilers were options as were the cowl induction hood and console with the gauge cluster.
My father's Z came equipped with a flat hood, no spoilers and no console which makes it a rare Z.

[283nova]

ive been told also that to tell if its a true rear spoiler car or not unlock the trunk, if it raises by itselfs it was a factory rear spoiler car if it just sits there it wasnt.

[D.Heerdt]

true D-80 rear spoiler cars had different spring bars for the trunk. i believe one was a little thicker to help with the added weight of the spoiler. this is easier to verify after Nov 68 built cars as the D-80 spoiler option was listed on the cowl tag. it was not listed on the earlier 'half tag cars" .

Most 69 Z/28's did not receive the D-80 option. it was not a standard option until after the january 69 build date ( IIRC). most of these cars have been restored with the D-80 option even though it was not factory equipment,.

*side note - the ZL2 cowl induction hood was not standard equipment on the Z/28 either. which seem to go hand in hand with most restorations. 20,602 Z-28s were built in 69 of which 40% probably recieved these 2 option together. but now most restored Z's have both options.. shame really.

[Ed Fernandez]

I believe the rubber ft bumper was called an ENDURA bumper.

Goggle the following for info: Endurabumper.com

[FINESPLINE]

Any camaro with THE FACTORY ordered spoiler package will have D80 on the cowl tag. The reason I say this IS because many camaros were ordered without the spoiler package and then the package was available as a DEALER INSTALLED option.

[Dana Fitzpatrick]

Originally Posted by FINESPLINE

Any camaro with THE FACTORY ordered spoiler package will have D80 on the cowl tag. The reason I say this IS because many camaros were ordered without the spoiler package and then the package was available as a DEALER INSTALLED option.

Incorrect. On the 1969 Camaros the D80 spoiler option did not appear on the cowl tag until March- April cars. My 02D (4th week of Feb.) Camaro does not have it, but was built with that option.