Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

Do you enjoy wiping out the competition with the single signing of a check?

Sean, how much do you think it will cost building a competitive AA, A, B or C Stocker that is not a CJ or DP?

A competitive car for the higher classes, built from scratch in today's dollars, can cost almost as much as a CJ or DP by the time you are done with building the car and doing all the R&D.

[Stewart Way]

My opinion. There is NO asterisk by John Calverts win at the Winternats. Why should there be. He has done it before and he will do it again. CJ, Dragpak or the Ole Stang. The factors are wrong, but to think that people build cars for the joy of qualifying low or not at all, or that they don't pick cars with an advantage is also wrong. Granted, some advantages are larger than others. How does Voth feel pulling his Monte up beside a Cobalt for class. Wonder if Cobalts should have an asterisk too? No.
Again, the factors are wrong but NO asterisk is by wins of these cars because they are LEGAL if built to the rules.
Just because you don't like the way things are doesn't put an asterisk anywhere.
Every winner has an advantage or every race would be a dead heat.

[Larry Munk]

This is funny. It's like the people left on the deck of the Titanic arguing wetheth they were First or Third Class passangers. At this point in time it doesn'y matter. 99 cars at Englishtown may seem like a high car count to some but it wasn't long ago when you had to qualify to get in. Where's the other 30 or so cars in stock that used to show up? Looking at the NA Ford, You can't blame a guy for wanting a latemodel roller cam smallblock with a huge throttle body and a powerglide (c-2) sounds like a pretty good bracket combo. Maybe NHRA is looking for someone to pay the fees for the Nostalgia progrm and will move all of the Antiques into Nostalgia Stock and Superstock and run them there.

[BlueOval Ralph]

You are right just look at Div3 it was not unuaual for 120 to 140 stockers and close to the same amount for stock. It lloks like to me that this Div has taken a even bigger hit than some of the others.

Originally Posted by Larry Munk

This is funny. It's like the people left on the deck of the Titanic arguing wetheth they were First or Third Class passangers. At this point in time it doesn'y matter. 99 cars at Englishtown may seem like a high car count to some but it wasn't long ago when you had to qualify to get in. Where's the other 30 or so cars in stock that used to show up? Looking at the NA Ford, You can't blame a guy for wanting a latemodel roller cam smallblock with a huge throttle body and a powerglide (c-2) sounds like a pretty good bracket combo. Maybe NHRA is looking for someone to pay the fees for the Nostalgia progrm and will move all of the Antiques into Nostalgia Stock and Superstock and run them there.

[Marine One]

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

You are right just look at Div3 it was not unuaual for 120 to 140 stockers and close to the same amount for stock. It lloks like to me that this Div has taken a even bigger hit than some of the others.

The economy has been and continues to be in a hole. The midwest was hit hard by job losses...Div 3 = midwest.

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Stewart Way

My opinion. There is NO asterisk by John Calverts win at the Winternats. Why should there be. He has done it before and he will do it again. CJ, Dragpak or the Ole Stang. The factors are wrong, but to think that people build cars for the joy of qualifying low or not at all, or that they don't pick cars with an advantage is also wrong. Granted, some advantages are larger than others. How does Voth feel pulling his Monte up beside a Cobalt for class. Wonder if Cobalts should have an asterisk too? No.
Again, the factors are wrong but NO asterisk is by wins of these cars because they are LEGAL if built to the rules.
Just because you don't like the way things are doesn't put an asterisk anywhere.
Every winner has an advantage or every race would be a dead heat.

John calvert winning the Sunday eliminator (read: bracket race) definitely should not have asterisk. Any heads up wins or lcass wins on the other hand.....

Not one person has given a serious attempt at answering this question, because they know I'm right.

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Sean, how much do you think it will cost building a competitive AA, A, B or C Stocker that is not a CJ or DP?

A competitive car for the higher classes, built from scratch in today's dollars, can cost almost as much as a CJ or DP by the time you are done with building the car and doing all the R&D.

Sure looks like know one wants to answer this question.What do you guys think the value of John Calverts A/S Fairlane?

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by davidhuff

Sure looks like know one wants to answer this question.What the deal?

If I were looking at building a top of the line A-B-C Stocker and no CJ/DP, I would look at a $75K budget. Sure it could be done cheaper but a popular body (Camaro, Mustang, Mopar) can cost a minimum of $10K as a buy in and then you have your restoration cost. Personally, I would buy a new body from Dynacorn, even with their fitment issues. That's $15K right there.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

If I were looking at building a top of the line A-B-C Stocker and no CJ/DP, I would look at a $75K budget. Sure it could be done cheaper but a popular body (Camaro, Mustang, Mopar) can cost a minimum of $10K as a buy in and then you have your restoration cost. Personally, I would buy a new body from Dynacorn, even with their fitment issues. That's $15K right there.

Jeff you would be buying a car. That was never on a showroom floor. And doesen't have a vin# for the year/model claimed.
According to some on here you shouldn't be allowed to run it.
Oops, Nevermind, it's a GM

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Sean, how much do you think it will cost building a competitive AA, A, B or C Stocker that is not a CJ or DP?

A competitive car for the higher classes, built from scratch in today's dollars, can cost almost as much as a CJ or DP by the time you are done with building the car and doing all the R&D.

The problem is that it is not competitive against a Cobra Jet or Drag Pak even if you spent twice the amount. The Cobra Jets and Drag Paks start out with significant advantages that any other combination cannot overcome without larger runner volumes, larger throttle bodies, larger valves, greater lobe lift, and or power adders. Plus the deep pocket R&D of the manufacturer.