Musclecars That Should Have Been Made

[Bret Kepner]

Originally Posted by treessavoy

I was thinking about a Pontiac Fiero with a Buick GNX turbo V6 and Gertag 5 speed.

We actually have one here in St. Louis, Jim; brutally consistent 12.20s.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Hemicop,
I want to say that the 68 Z-28 (Cross-ram) ran in C/S in 1968, but I'm not completely sure if it ran in the (9.00-9.49 wt/hp class).
In 1968, I think they may have competed in SS/F, along with 396/325HP
Camaros. Thats early/mid year 1968 in NHRA, when they only had S/S classes up to SS/F.
I'm going by memory only.
Another mystery, the 1968 GSS 440 Darts. Classed in SS/EA, but could not run in B/SA for 1968.
Paul

[Jeff Lee]

I've said it here more than once, a "Trans-Am" class for S/SS using the SCCA approved parts like Cross-Boss inline Autolite and Z-28 Cross Ram inductions. Parts aren't cheap but I bet they show up ready to race almost instantly in class racing. I'd put a cross-ram on my AMX project without hesitation.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Hemicop,
I want to say that the 68 Z-28 (Cross-ram) ran in C/S in 1968, but I'm not completely sure if it ran in the (9.00-9.49 wt/hp class).
In 1968, I think they may have competed in SS/F, along with 396/325HP
Camaros. Thats early/mid year 1968 in NHRA, when they only had S/S classes up to SS/F.
I'm going by memory only.
Another mystery, the 1968 GSS 440 Darts. Classed in SS/EA, but could not run in B/SA for 1968.
Paul

The X ram was never allowed in stock or S/S on the Z-28's. In 1968 Dave Stricklers "Old Reliable" ran SS/F with the single carb and was world Champ.

[Paul Ceasrine]

X-Tech Man,
Thanks for the correction, I was only guessing on the 302 Z-28
cross-ram engines.
Stricklers red 68' Z-28 SS/F was the 'hot ticket'.
Now for a Mopar question, in 1969 was anyone running 69' 440 Cuda's in C/SA with success. I found a Jim Rothmeier out of Laporte, Iowa
running a Chuck Ostrich prepped car. What was the main problem, the car couldn't hook-up with 7" slicks, and the nose-heavy 440 in the car?
Paul

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

X-Tech Man,
Thanks for the correction, I was only guessing on the 302 Z-28
cross-ram engines.
Stricklers red 68' Z-28 SS/F was the 'hot ticket'.
Now for a Mopar question, in 1969 was anyone running 69' 440 Cuda's in C/SA with success. I found a Jim Rothmeier out of Laporte, Iowa
running a Chuck Ostrich prepped car. What was the main problem, the car couldn't hook-up with 7" slicks, and the nose-heavy 440 in the car?
Paul

The Direct Connection "Bible" (factory race tech bulletins by Larry Sheppard primarily) gave a dozen or so reasons why the B & RB A-bodies could not be run successfully given the parts and suspension of the day.
Neil Smedley and I built a 440 '69 Dart w/ Super Stock springs, 9" slicks and a 12.5:1 bracket engine with an 8" ATI convertor back in the early '80's, just to see if it could be done. The car was a former G/SA 340 car so other than the engine, all stock legal. We instantly proved ma MOPAR wrong as the car hooked and I enjoyed my first wheelie. And it wasn't a little one either. We later put a equally built 383 in the car. Solid mid 11 second car and traction was never an issue.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

The Direct Connection "Bible" (factory race tech bulletins by Larry Sheppard primarily) gave a dozen or so reasons why the B & RB A-bodies could not be run successfully given the parts and suspension of the day.
Neil Smedley and I built a 440 '69 Dart w/ Super Stock springs, 9" slicks and a 12.5:1 bracket engine with an 8" ATI convertor back in the early '80's, just to see if it could be done. The car was a former G/SA 340 car so other than the engine, all stock legal. We instantly proved ma MOPAR wrong as the car hooked and I enjoyed my first wheelie. And it wasn't a little one either. We later put a equally built 383 in the car. Solid mid 11 second car and traction was never an issue.

The 9 inch tires made the difference. I ran on 7 inch tires up thru the end of 1971 and it was tough even with a small block Vette.

[hemicop]

Well, thanks for the answewrs regarding the x-ram Camaros, but WHY? Enough were built/availible and yes, I never saw one. I always thought they'd make a good car to go against the 396/325hp cars. Back in NY wwhere I grew up I was privvy to see Scott Schafiroff's Z/28 do real well in AHRA's GT classes (Truppi-Kling motor as I recall) and always wondered how it'd do with an x-ram. Motion Performance had a "Z/30" package as I recall that ran a x-ram. I only saw one of these things & the car (a Camaro) ran solid mid-11s---- not bad at all back in the day for a street smallblock.

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

We actually have one here in St. Louis, Jim; brutally consistent 12.20s.

Bret,

Here's another one from the land of partial reality:

PT Cruiser with the SRT6 blown Mercedes 6cyl and rear wheel drive.

JimR

Remembering Miss Cleo Chandler.

[Paul Ceasrine]

Jim,
I think this thread should be called "Can You Top This Musclecar"
I'll give your PT Cruiser a run...
Here goes,,
1954 Mivalino,, with a ZL-1.
I'm not sure, what weighs more, the car or the engine???
And you only need (3) wheels...
Who would drive that car.??,,
Paul