Brad Plourd, you were robbed last week!

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

Just for the sake of discussion if the beams were 3 inches high at the finish line could you dip a front end of one of these cars that low and steal a win? I believe so. If a rule was made that a tire only stops the timers at the finish line I have to ask how do we patrol that? I dont see how. I totally hear what you are saying Gary but I dont see how it can be patrolled and why it should be. Can you tell with your car sitting still how high is the bottom of your ground effects and from the front of your tire 6 inches up from ground how far forward is your ground effects. Also what MPH do you cross the finish line at?

I cross the finish line between 83 & 88mph (for now until I earn the funds to freshen up my 14yr old engine work, and get a higher duration cam into it than my currently modest .218 cam), depending on the altitude of the track I'm racing at.

As for the tire stopping thing, just lower the sensor height at the finish line to match the height of the staging beam (at the start), and that would likely solve that...or raise the height of the sensor at the finish line beam to stop the timers once the most frontal part of a vehicle would cross it (much like a track& field race). This may not help a race like Dennis's & Mike's in Super Gas (since Mike's front end was twice as far forward of his tire as opposed to Dennis's), but it sure would've changed the Super Stock result. In the Super Gas final it's clear to me that instead of clocking a run in 1320ft, Mike's lower extended frontal area allowed him to race to 1319' and nearly 6"...making for his advantage over Dennis's Willy's.

[HawkBrosMav]

Gary you're obviously too set in your ways to even consider anything anybody has said opposing your views. You're not even reading what I'm writing and just responding with more info trying to support your finish line picture...

if you would like me to walk you down the track or draw you picture next time we are at the same track I'd love too. sorry you can't grasp reality...

BH

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by HawkBrosMav

Gary you're obviously too set in your ways to even consider anything anybody has said opposing your views. You're not even reading what I'm writing and just responding with more info trying to support your finish line picture...

if you would like me to walk you down the track or draw you picture next time we are at the same track I'd love too. sorry you can't grasp reality...

BH

Ok BH, I'll walk with you down the track, but before I do ponder this...In the Super Gas final, I'm positive that Mike Ferderer staged his car with the tires, while the nose of his car was already nearly 2ft. down course. However, the finish line wasn't tripped by his tire but by the nose of his car...therefore his 1320ft race was really only about 1318ft. How was that fair for Dennis Paz's old school vehicle that started & finished a full 1320ft with the tires? Same goes for the Super Stock Final, albeit not quite as dramatic...one things for certain though, Brad's Cavalier's nose was at the end of the finish-line stripe (during the second freeze frame shot), while the Colbalt of Justin's was just beyond the sensor part of the stripe (at the early part). You can't draw any kind of picture that's different from the obviously shown still shots of those two cars at the stripe. I clearly can grasp reality...it was right there on the tv screen live and in "Technicolor" for all to see, especially me...

[HawkBrosMav]

What you fail to grasp is the concept of bracket racing... We will go with the Mike and Dennis race since you brought it up. Each driver dial's his car after making time run's. In super gas this consist of putting a number in a throttle stop timer not changing the number on the side of your car like we would in s/ss. Mike will put a number in the timer in his car to start with the tire and take the strip with his nose (which is 2ft in front of his tire). Dennis will put a number in his timer that will be based off his car leaving with the tire and taking the stripe with the tire. They run the race mike gets to the end parks his nose just in front of Dennis's tire and win's by .00x.

I will now explain why this is not only the correct out come but it will not even change if you lower the beam to make mike take the stripe with his tire. (This is what you seem to be so adamant about doing)

Now that the beam has been lowered to 3". here is how it would go down. Dennis's pass and number in the timer would remain exactly the same as his car would still be leaving and finishing with the tire. Mike on the other hand would now have to put less time in his throttle stop timer to make up the difference in ET from his car taking the stripe with the tire now.

We both agree Mike would have been slower if his car took the stripe with the tire. What you don't seem to be able to understand is that Mike would have KNOWN his car was going to be slow and he would have made the adjustment in the timer before he even staged the car.

After Mike makes this change the race would go just as it did. Mike would still light the win bulb. Absolutely the only difference would be the picture that you keep looking at in technicolor. Mike's nose would now be way ahead of Dennis's lil pickup and Mike's tire would now be the part of his car that was edging Dennis for the stripe by .00x.

I'm not trying to be an asshole I'm just trying to help a fellow racer understand a basic concept of drag racing.

Brad Hawk

[hemidup]

Both cars leave from an even start off the front tires, but one wins with a finish off the nose? Sounds more like a street race to me than a drag race.

[Dinsdale]

Originally Posted by hemidup

Both cars leave from an even start off the front tires, but one wins with a finish off the nose? Sounds more like a street race to me than a drag race.

Exactly.. Taking the stripe with the nose of your car is another example of one person playing the "game" better rather than winning by a performace advantage or a driver doing his job. There are plenty more examples but it's the game playing that the few spectators left don't understand and makes guys like me not interested in running the class.

[Floyd Staggs]

You guy's forget about a pro stock motorcycel race a couple of years ago where the outcome was changed when the camera clearly showed the losers wheel was above the lights at the finish line and he was ahead. They reversed the outcome, gave it to the loser even though the other guy tripped the light.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Exactly.. Taking the stripe with the nose of your car is another example of one person playing the "game" better rather than winning by a performace advantage or a driver doing his job. There are plenty more examples but it's the game playing that the few spectators left don't understand and makes guys like me not interested in running the class.

I would think the biggest most important reason for you to not be interested in running class would be the way out of control HP factoring or the lack of policing cylinder heads in stock and not the 12 -16 inch advantage of a front end taking a stripe. But that is a whole nother topic in a different thread that has been beat to death.