Phoenix Nat'l Racers Please Respond

aspen7709 · 02-22-2010, 11:46 PM

You still did not give me a solution other than stay home. Ed I can drive across your state quicker than I can get to either alternative track. Yes firebird is a toilet but it is still safer than a public highway.I choose to race stock because I like it same as you. They only race it at firebird. it is not like drinkin beer if you dont like the bar you can go home and drink but I cant race in my driveway! THE WEST NEEDS IHRA!!!!!

Ed Fernandez · 02-22-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by aspen7709

You still did not give me a solution other than stay home. Ed I can drive across your state quicker than I can get to either alternative track. Yes firebird is a toilet but it is still safer than a public highway.I choose to race stock because I like it same as you. They only race it at firebird. it is not like drinkin beer if you dont like the bar you can go home and drink but I cant race in my driveway! THE WEST NEEDS IHRA!!!!!

I agree with you 100%,but why would you put yourself in peril for one race?I'm sure you go to other races in your division.If it was me I'd find a way to attend another race or
just race one less race for the year.
There's plenty of races but you only have one life.
Is the owner that bad?It's Charlie Allen isn't it?Pressure on NHRA for him to improve safety or lose the race seems like the solution.Maybe it's time for an insurrection in your division by those affected by his inaction to make improvements.

buzzinhalfdozen · 02-23-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aspen7709

You still did not give me a solution other than stay home. Ed I can drive across your state quicker than I can get to either alternative track. Yes firebird is a toilet but it is still safer than a public highway.I choose to race stock because I like it same as you. They only race it at firebird. it is not like drinkin beer if you dont like the bar you can go home and drink but I cant race in my driveway! THE WEST NEEDS IHRA!!!!!

If all you're after is the point, pay go thru tech and leave.No sense bending up your stuff, not the best plan but one solution. Joe

Bryan Worner · 02-23-2010, 10:31 AM

Aspen, some of the Interstates here in PA would make a better racing surface than Phoenix!!! Someone needs to suggest the owner spend some of his money and repave the racing surface to make it safe!

Ed, the problem there is the track, not the weather! And if they were trying to use their new, cheaper, traction compound in cool weather, we all know what a disaster that can be!

Mike Graham · 02-23-2010, 10:39 AM

The track was fine when it wasn't covered in water. Can't blame that on NHRA

davidhuff · 02-23-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Graham

The track was fine when it wasn't covered in water. Can't blame that on NHRA

You must be kidding and give me a break,there was no rain ever at the track on Friday when Gordie Rivera wrecked his new pro stocker.The rain started on Saturday and I should know because I was there.

Mark Yacavone · 02-23-2010, 11:44 AM

The track was fine on Friday for the 9 second Super Stockers. The track temp was 95+.
I don't know about Gordie Rivera. When I hear Pro session , I head for the hills. Much safer that way.
Friday sounds great..without them. Can't wait.

Bob Mulry · 02-23-2010, 01:25 PM

Wow,

Looks like a bunch of half facts and missinformation.

The PRO's require a different track surface to allow for tire slippage and VP makes a product that works.

The National events switched from VHT to VP several years ago, possibly 6 or 7.

The change was better for the PRO's but worse for the Sportsman Racer who desire a dead hook starting line.

VHT is still used at LODRS races.

Firebird is no better or worse than most of the tracks we race at in Division 7.

People bitched about Sacramento Raceway and now we have to tow even further to race.

We keep making it tougher and tougher in these financial times to operate a track and pretty soon there will be no place to race.

The newest real race track (not counting the parking lot at Fontana) that we race on is Vegas and that's at least 15 years old. But we also lost OCIR, Fremont, Sacramento and Ontario.

Be careful what you wish for and pick the right battle to fight,

Bob

Mike Graham · 02-23-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by davidhuff

You must be kidding and give me a break,there was no rain ever at the track on Friday when Gordie Rivera wrecked his new pro stocker.The rain started on Saturday and I should know because I was there.

Can't speak for pro stock,but I made 3 passes within a few thou.

02-22-2010, 11:46 PM	#1
aspen7709 Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: sunny,az Posts: 165 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Phoenix Nat'l Racers Please Respond You still did not give me a solution other than stay home. Ed I can drive across your state quicker than I can get to either alternative track. Yes firebird is a toilet but it is still safer than a public highway.I choose to race stock because I like it same as you. They only race it at firebird. it is not like drinkin beer if you dont like the bar you can go home and drink but I cant race in my driveway! THE WEST NEEDS IHRA!!!!!

02-23-2010, 10:31 AM	#4
Bryan Worner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Duncannon, PA Posts: 825 Likes: 136 Liked 534 Times in 86 Posts	Re: Phoenix Nat'l Racers Please Respond Aspen, some of the Interstates here in PA would make a better racing surface than Phoenix!!! Someone needs to suggest the owner spend some of his money and repave the racing surface to make it safe! Ed, the problem there is the track, not the weather! And if they were trying to use their new, cheaper, traction compound in cool weather, we all know what a disaster that can be!

02-23-2010, 10:39 AM	#5
Mike Graham Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 410 Likes: 1 Liked 341 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Phoenix Nat'l Racers Please Respond The track was fine when it wasn't covered in water. Can't blame that on NHRA

02-23-2010, 11:44 AM	#7
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,818 Likes: 2,908 Liked 5,126 Times in 1,954 Posts	Re: Phoenix Nat'l Racers Please Respond The track was fine on Friday for the 9 second Super Stockers. The track temp was 95+. I don't know about Gordie Rivera. When I hear Pro session , I head for the hills. Much safer that way. Friday sounds great..without them. Can't wait. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

02-23-2010, 01:25 PM	#8
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Phoenix Nat'l Racers Please Respond Wow, Looks like a bunch of half facts and missinformation. The PRO's require a different track surface to allow for tire slippage and VP makes a product that works. The National events switched from VHT to VP several years ago, possibly 6 or 7. The change was better for the PRO's but worse for the Sportsman Racer who desire a dead hook starting line. VHT is still used at LODRS races. Firebird is no better or worse than most of the tracks we race at in Division 7. People bitched about Sacramento Raceway and now we have to tow even further to race. We keep making it tougher and tougher in these financial times to operate a track and pretty soon there will be no place to race. The newest real race track (not counting the parking lot at Fontana) that we race on is Vegas and that's at least 15 years old. But we also lost OCIR, Fremont, Sacramento and Ontario. Be careful what you wish for and pick the right battle to fight, Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports Last edited by Bob Mulry; 02-23-2010 at 03:53 PM. Reason: sp

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