New hazmat rules

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

You can buy a waste oil heater and heat your shop with it. I have worked in two places where we used it for shop heat. Trust me...it works good but does need a lot of maintenance to keep it operating. I am the official....."keeper of the flame"......LOL

Rich,I'm sure the waste oil you use isn't saturated with nitromethane.I don't think that would be too healthy for anyone.

[Rich Biebel]

Nitro might pose a bit of a problem in my heater Ed........I wouldn't be to worried about the fumes......but I would be concerned about the heater having a China Syndrome event if I tried burning some.....

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Posted by someone on the 90s section:

Got to bradenton and if you changed your trans or motor oil, you had to take it with you when you left the track.no oil barrels. Got to gainesville and if you change oil you have to pay a hazmat team to remove it from the track. You are not allowed to remove any oil or filters from the track in your trailers unless you have the proper equipment.hazmat must be owned by who ?

Put your seatbelts on,it's going to be a rough ride.

At work, the City of Los Angeles fleet repair shop, we've been cautioned never to use spray brake clean where it goes into waste oil catch containers.Seems the chlorinated residue will contaminate the waste oil and the recycler that picks it up has a problem transporting and disposing of it.We still use it,not the aerosol spray,but the type that comes in a sealed gallon plastic jug and it goes into a spray can that has a Schraeder valve on it where it is charged with compressed air as a propellant. That seems to be the green way to go, as it would have fallen on us first if there was an environmental concern.We have to collect all spent aerosol cans for proper disposal by a vendor,as we do used coolant, oil,trans fluid, and even dirty shop rags. I'm glad that I don't own a shop,the cost of all this hazmat disposal must be a substantial percentage of a business' overhead.I'm all for eliminating pollution, hazard spills,etc. but when you can't even do your job,it's out of hand.I will be the first to say,having lived here for 51 of my 55 years, we don't even HAVE smog compared to what we had as a kid 40-50 years ago. Those big mountains behind the Pomona starting line wouldn't have been even visible at all then.We were out in Malibu having lunch a month or so ago, and could see Mount San Gorgonio out by Palm Springs. a distance of 150 miles, and it was pretty much a usual day. Fuel injection and better engine management systems have cleaned the air in L.A. more than all the little protesting green weenies out there.Now, if the al gores of the world would just sit in the corner and play with their little prius, and get out of the way, technology and industry could REALLY advance!!!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Im not a "tree hugger" but I grew up in a rural area and respect the land.

I have well and septic and will forever here...and I like it, I dont want things getting into MY and I say MY litterally water table / cycle that are going to cause problems for me or my kids...

I have used and still do some "nasties" things carcinogenic and now illegal to purchase, I have a supply I use them only when needed and carefully.

BUT as I get older and certainly in the presence of my kids , some of this crap scares the crap out of me, not like cancer is a rare thing in my family.

But some of the "green" alternatives Ive found have better qualities I have really begun to like.....Given an alternative between a safe and EFFECTIVE alternative....the problem in MOST things has been the efficacy of the "green" alternatives.

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

At work, the City of Los Angeles fleet repair shop, we've been cautioned never to use spray brake clean where it goes into waste oil catch containers.Seems the chlorinated residue will contaminate the waste oil and the recycler that picks it up has a problem transporting and disposing of it.We still use it,not the aerosol spray,but the type that comes in a sealed gallon plastic jug and it goes into a spray can that has a Schraeder valve on it where it is charged with compressed air as a propellant. That seems to be the green way to go, as it would have fallen on us first if there was an environmental concern.We have to collect all spent aerosol cans for proper disposal by a vendor,as we do used coolant, oil,trans fluid, and even dirty shop rags. I'm glad that I don't own a shop,the cost of all this hazmat disposal must be a substantial percentage of a business' overhead.I'm all for eliminating pollution, hazard spills,etc. but when you can't even do your job,it's out of hand.I will be the first to say,having lived here for 51 of my 55 years, we don't even HAVE smog compared to what we had as a kid 40-50 years ago. Those big mountains behind the Pomona starting line wouldn't have been even visible at all then.We were out in Malibu having lunch a month or so ago, and could see Mount San Gorgonio out by Palm Springs. a distance of 150 miles, and it was pretty much a usual day. Fuel injection and better engine management systems have cleaned the air in L.A. more than all the little protesting green weenies out there.Now, if the al gores of the world would just sit in the corner and play with their little prius, and get out of the way, technology and industry could REALLY advance!!!

[Greg Reimer 7376]

When I was in the fifth grade in southern Oregon, our teacher led a good discussion of what 'conservation' meant. We discussed the options of settting aside land and not using it, which brought up the fact that that was'nt any good,and the lessons of the dust bowl during the depression came up, the 'move in,wear out,move on' philosophy,and we eventually came up with the definition that conservation meant"the wise and careful use of our natural resources".That meant eliminating wasteful practices,reforestation,(after all, trees are renewable,)and not using harmful products.Some of the green alternatives do work pretty well,and retiring some automotive chemicals are definitely wise,but new technology had to arise to replace old practices and proceedures.Liberalism works on emotionalism,hardly a reliable reaction(just ask anyone who is married),but good old conservative thought works on reality. The conservative capitalist line of thought is to take the reality of a situation, adapt to the change,invent new practices and products, and show a profit with your new industry as you meet the changing times. Sounds good and all-American to me!!

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Originally Posted by drooze

Im not a "tree hugger" but I grew up in a rural area and respect the land.

I have well and septic and will forever here...and I like it, I dont want things getting into MY and I say MY litterally water table / cycle that are going to cause problems for me or my kids...

I have used and still do some "nasties" things carcinogenic and now illegal to purchase, I have a supply I use them only when needed and carefully.

BUT as I get older and certainly in the presence of my kids , some of this crap scares the crap out of me, not like cancer is a rare thing in my family.

But some of the "green" alternatives Ive found have better qualities I have really begun to like.....Given an alternative between a safe and EFFECTIVE alternative....the problem in MOST things has been the efficacy of the "green" alternatives.

I think the problem with most liberals is that their septic tank is too close to their well.See the effect that's had?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

I dont disagree.....I have a line of timber here that I helped plant when I was 6....it was meant to be harvested...the only single reason I havent is I like the way it looks, when others heard I was thinking about it they were "up in arms" until they realized I helped plant it to harvest it....not a whole lot for them to say at that point.....

I agree, unfortunatley greed , which is NOT inherent to capatilism can intervene, and when things are hidden for profit and risks to others disquised for "corporate liability" then I take issue....

We learn, people, the human race.....I dont see anyone perscribing lead or mercury salts to their children anymore, but it was common practice in the not so distant past...it wasnt greed, it wasnt even stupidity, it was lack of knowledge....we now know what those things do, so we dont use them.

When the Chineese aluterate products with lead because of greed, as in its cheaper to produce that way, but at the same time NO US company would do it.....that I have a problem with....

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

When I was in the fifth grade in southern Oregon, our teacher led a good discussion of what 'conservation' meant. We discussed the options of settting aside land and not using it, which brought up the fact that that was'nt any good,and the lessons of the dust bowl during the depression came up, the 'move in,wear out,move on' philosophy,and we eventually came up with the definition that conservation meant"the wise and careful use of our natural resources".That meant eliminating wasteful practices,reforestation,(after all, trees are renewable,)and not using harmful products.Some of the green alternatives do work pretty well,and retiring some automotive chemicals are definitely wise,but new technology had to arise to replace old practices and proceedures.Liberalism works on emotionalism,hardly a reliable reaction(just ask anyone who is married),but good old conservative thought works on reality. The conservative capitalist line of thought is to take the reality of a situation, adapt to the change,invent new practices and products, and show a profit with your new industry as you meet the changing times. Sounds good and all-American to me!!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

I think the problem with most liberals is that their septic tank is too close to their well.See the effect that's had?

Hmmmm....if you think me a liberal you are sorley mistaken, sorley.

Compassion for others is not synonomous with liberalism.

[Greg Reimer 7376]

I don't think you're liberal.You don't sound like it. Respect for the land you live on is part of the appreciation for America our founding fathers founded this country on.I'm talking about the bunch that seems dead set against everything we work for and seems determined to ruin everything for everybody else.There's no similarity there with what you wrote.Incidentally, is there any more greed than the liberal elite seizing control and the lives and assets of everybody else in the name of socialism?

[magnumv8]

Since you need special permits to transport a "hazardous waste" this issue is a lot bigger than it first appears...the inconvenience of taking your waste products with you when you leave you now have the "illegal" substance in your trailer when you get pulled over for a weight check or traffic stop...when all these municipalities looking for ways to increase their revenues you start to look like fresh meat to these people....the writing is on the wall for an "environmental fee" to be added to the entrance fees as well as the insurance fee...this unfortunately is the only proper way to deal with this.....automotive service centers have been adding this fee for years.....


D L Rambo.....