New hazmat rules

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Im not a "tree hugger" but I grew up in a rural area and respect the land.

I have well and septic and will forever here...and I like it, I dont want things getting into MY and I say MY litterally water table / cycle that are going to cause problems for me or my kids...

I have used and still do some "nasties" things carcinogenic and now illegal to purchase, I have a supply I use them only when needed and carefully.

BUT as I get older and certainly in the presence of my kids , some of this crap scares the crap out of me, not like cancer is a rare thing in my family.

But some of the "green" alternatives Ive found have better qualities I have really begun to like.....Given an alternative between a safe and EFFECTIVE alternative....the problem in MOST things has been the efficacy of the "green" alternatives.

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

At work, the City of Los Angeles fleet repair shop, we've been cautioned never to use spray brake clean where it goes into waste oil catch containers.Seems the chlorinated residue will contaminate the waste oil and the recycler that picks it up has a problem transporting and disposing of it.We still use it,not the aerosol spray,but the type that comes in a sealed gallon plastic jug and it goes into a spray can that has a Schraeder valve on it where it is charged with compressed air as a propellant. That seems to be the green way to go, as it would have fallen on us first if there was an environmental concern.We have to collect all spent aerosol cans for proper disposal by a vendor,as we do used coolant, oil,trans fluid, and even dirty shop rags. I'm glad that I don't own a shop,the cost of all this hazmat disposal must be a substantial percentage of a business' overhead.I'm all for eliminating pollution, hazard spills,etc. but when you can't even do your job,it's out of hand.I will be the first to say,having lived here for 51 of my 55 years, we don't even HAVE smog compared to what we had as a kid 40-50 years ago. Those big mountains behind the Pomona starting line wouldn't have been even visible at all then.We were out in Malibu having lunch a month or so ago, and could see Mount San Gorgonio out by Palm Springs. a distance of 150 miles, and it was pretty much a usual day. Fuel injection and better engine management systems have cleaned the air in L.A. more than all the little protesting green weenies out there.Now, if the al gores of the world would just sit in the corner and play with their little prius, and get out of the way, technology and industry could REALLY advance!!!

[Greg Reimer 7376]

When I was in the fifth grade in southern Oregon, our teacher led a good discussion of what 'conservation' meant. We discussed the options of settting aside land and not using it, which brought up the fact that that was'nt any good,and the lessons of the dust bowl during the depression came up, the 'move in,wear out,move on' philosophy,and we eventually came up with the definition that conservation meant"the wise and careful use of our natural resources".That meant eliminating wasteful practices,reforestation,(after all, trees are renewable,)and not using harmful products.Some of the green alternatives do work pretty well,and retiring some automotive chemicals are definitely wise,but new technology had to arise to replace old practices and proceedures.Liberalism works on emotionalism,hardly a reliable reaction(just ask anyone who is married),but good old conservative thought works on reality. The conservative capitalist line of thought is to take the reality of a situation, adapt to the change,invent new practices and products, and show a profit with your new industry as you meet the changing times. Sounds good and all-American to me!!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

I dont disagree.....I have a line of timber here that I helped plant when I was 6....it was meant to be harvested...the only single reason I havent is I like the way it looks, when others heard I was thinking about it they were "up in arms" until they realized I helped plant it to harvest it....not a whole lot for them to say at that point.....

I agree, unfortunatley greed , which is NOT inherent to capatilism can intervene, and when things are hidden for profit and risks to others disquised for "corporate liability" then I take issue....

We learn, people, the human race.....I dont see anyone perscribing lead or mercury salts to their children anymore, but it was common practice in the not so distant past...it wasnt greed, it wasnt even stupidity, it was lack of knowledge....we now know what those things do, so we dont use them.

When the Chineese aluterate products with lead because of greed, as in its cheaper to produce that way, but at the same time NO US company would do it.....that I have a problem with....

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

When I was in the fifth grade in southern Oregon, our teacher led a good discussion of what 'conservation' meant. We discussed the options of settting aside land and not using it, which brought up the fact that that was'nt any good,and the lessons of the dust bowl during the depression came up, the 'move in,wear out,move on' philosophy,and we eventually came up with the definition that conservation meant"the wise and careful use of our natural resources".That meant eliminating wasteful practices,reforestation,(after all, trees are renewable,)and not using harmful products.Some of the green alternatives do work pretty well,and retiring some automotive chemicals are definitely wise,but new technology had to arise to replace old practices and proceedures.Liberalism works on emotionalism,hardly a reliable reaction(just ask anyone who is married),but good old conservative thought works on reality. The conservative capitalist line of thought is to take the reality of a situation, adapt to the change,invent new practices and products, and show a profit with your new industry as you meet the changing times. Sounds good and all-American to me!!

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Originally Posted by drooze

Im not a "tree hugger" but I grew up in a rural area and respect the land.

I have well and septic and will forever here...and I like it, I dont want things getting into MY and I say MY litterally water table / cycle that are going to cause problems for me or my kids...

I have used and still do some "nasties" things carcinogenic and now illegal to purchase, I have a supply I use them only when needed and carefully.

BUT as I get older and certainly in the presence of my kids , some of this crap scares the crap out of me, not like cancer is a rare thing in my family.

But some of the "green" alternatives Ive found have better qualities I have really begun to like.....Given an alternative between a safe and EFFECTIVE alternative....the problem in MOST things has been the efficacy of the "green" alternatives.

I think the problem with most liberals is that their septic tank is too close to their well.See the effect that's had?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

I think the problem with most liberals is that their septic tank is too close to their well.See the effect that's had?

Hmmmm....if you think me a liberal you are sorley mistaken, sorley.

Compassion for others is not synonomous with liberalism.

[Greg Reimer 7376]

I don't think you're liberal.You don't sound like it. Respect for the land you live on is part of the appreciation for America our founding fathers founded this country on.I'm talking about the bunch that seems dead set against everything we work for and seems determined to ruin everything for everybody else.There's no similarity there with what you wrote.Incidentally, is there any more greed than the liberal elite seizing control and the lives and assets of everybody else in the name of socialism?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

I don't think you're liberal.You don't sound like it. Respect for the land you live on is part of the appreciation for America our founding fathers founded this country on.I'm talking about the bunch that seems dead set against everything we work for and seems determined to ruin everything for everybody else.There's no similarity there with what you wrote.Incidentally, is there any more greed than the liberal elite seizing control and the lives and assets of everybody else in the name of socialism?

I wasnt sure....it was the way that it was added to the end of a comment about my septic and well, I thought might have been an "inferrence" but wasnt sure......
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Im what I like to call an "Truman Democrat" but faaaarrrrrr....from liberal.

Think saying Im a "Truman Democrat" says enough....

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Originally Posted by drooze

I wasnt sure....it was the way that it was added to the end of a comment about my septic and well, I thought might have been an "inferrence" but wasnt sure......
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Im what I like to call an "Truman Democrat" but faaaarrrrrr....from liberal.

Think saying Im a "Truman Democrat" says enough....

That's an interesting concept as how you defined yourself. Truman knew how to express himself. That's an understatement.He came from the era when the democrats stood for something that was to be proud of, that is, the working man. The current bunch have changed so much, that even Truman wouldn't recognize them. When you hear the kooky loony way out stuff being spouted from the al gores of the land, and the politically correct stuff that's out there, that's where the appearance of the septic tank being too close to their well came from. Makes you wonder what a lot of people have been drinking!!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Not to take this "Off Topic" as I believe the 2 are related.

Hazmat fees = Taxes. Simple.
Obama needs $ and the economy isnt producing
Consumption Taxes are the only new form of revenue available.
Hazmat fees will be disquised for transport of these items because the general public hears "Oh Hazardous Material....oh who cares they should pay" not understanding the ramifications of WHAT they are allowing to occur.

Then one day Jill will be taking her husbands lawn mower oil down to the local "Oil Disposal" site or day and a cop will pull her over and cite her....might take a while, it will happen.....

Until then, someone else said it here....they will (cities, states, and municipalities) use it as a "squeeze" tax to squeeze every last drop.

They now have food taxes ?, I told my dad last week the day a tax collector shows up at my door to tax food I grow is the day I go to prison for being a murderer.

The funny thing is I and my family are/were pro Union. My family started our local for Plumbers and Pipefitters 219, Im a Snowball. My other side, my fathers side was instumental in starting the union in the 30's at the "Meat Shop" where 1 death a week was normal....B&W Boiler works here in Barberton.

BUT both my grandparents, both BLUE Democrats, were chagrined and disappointed knowing that the "Liberal" vote and phenomena rode in on their Union votes, and other many less savory unions that are/were nothing more than orgainzed crime calling themselves a union, not TRUE trade unions........it was disappointing to them.

Reason seems to be in the way at times when politics are concerned, the politicians are getting so VERY disconnected from the people they claim to represent there will be a rude awakening for them at some point. I only HOPE I am still around to see it and the look on their faces.

But like I said, you can ALWAYS preempt the Tree Huggers in your favor. Make it apparent to them they cannot dicate to you what you do in private and that its to their benefit to have them handle it for you Make, and give them an "Out" to act , or "Appear" to act as a savior.

That being said a person still needs to be responsible when it comes to potentially hazordous materials.....Used Gasonline Motor Oil....is NOT a Hazmat in my opinion.....Something that needs disposed of properly yes.

Kinda like my call to the FD asking about toxic pickup and when they said once a year I said, "Oh thats ok Ill just go dump it in the leech bed." Man I got like 5 minute door to door service (and NO I wasnt serious, but it became apparent they thought I was....)

The ONLY SINGLE WAY things like this WILL stop is if we PUSH back....

Given no resistance why Not try for them to grab / do all they care to ?

If there is no push back how do they know theyve hit a limit ?

Originally Posted by Greg Reimer 7376

That's an interesting concept as how you defined yourself. Truman knew how to express himself. That's an understatement.He came from the era when the democrats stood for something that was to be proud of, that is, the working man. The current bunch have changed so much, that even Truman wouldn't recognize them. When you hear the kooky loony way out stuff being spouted from the al gores of the land, and the politically correct stuff that's out there, that's where the appearance of the septic tank being too close to their well came from. Makes you wonder what a lot of people have been drinking!!