Sponsorship Advice

[Sid Munson1091]

Marty....A BIG THANK YOU for saying what most of us have thought about Drooze. I've had a hard time not posting something like you did about him but decided I dont need or want to get involved in a pissing match with him. I can not believe some of his posts. Like the one post Drooze asking about pit space at Pomona the guy has to be clueless knuckelhead for just posting that one post alone much less all these others. Like you I dont believe he has a race car or has ever even been to a drag strip in his life he is truly a wannabee enough said. My guess now that he knows we all know all his posts are just a farse he will go back to golfing or his yacht lol ???

[442OLDS]

I think DROOZE has a plan,and I think the "plan" is going to work out for him.

When he gets his car done,it doesn't matter who is the driver.

EVERYBODY will want to beat the car,and he or his driver will be the beneficiary of about 7 redlights in a row!

[Hagen Gary]

Allright Drooze,
Enough of this post whoreing. I've been visiting this forum and at this class racing thing 20 times longer than you (and I'm one of the younger ones) yet have 1/100 of the post you do. You avg. 3.17 post a day. It seems that you have an opinion on everything, but don't know ***** about class racing. My advice, Keep your mouth shut (that includes your keyboard) and find someone who knows what they are doing and can stand you, then learn from them.
Maybee you don't realize it, but asking about how to manage your second major sponser, or how you can build a car that will run 4 seconds under the index, or how you plan on making money on building a class car really strikes a nerve with people (like me) who have an extensive winning record, Thousands of unrecovered dollars in, with no real sponser in site, and have NEVER been 1.00 under the old index. I'd say 4 out of 5 of the people your asking these questions to are just like me.
Just because you have a brand new bogus car, and a "Former World Champ" driving it, doesn't mean you will turn that little light on right past the finish line. In fact, with the crap that flies from your mouth, and dealing with a new car, I'd be willing to bet your team's round win-loss record is heavy on the loss side. You arn't going to keep many sponsers like that, and you've allready alienated at least half of the people on this board from even wanting to talk to you in person (other than just to see if your as egotistical and ignorant as the character you play on this board). That aint going to sell that product either.
This is one of the few boards on the internet that is not all about who can run thier mouth the most about useless *****. I'd appreciate if you kept it that way so I don't have to sift through your hog wash just keep up with the topics.

BTW, The only people who care about your bike stories are the ones who run bikes down the strip, and they don't post here.

[Ken Haase]

I'd guess that most on here have, at one time or another, heard someone say " I laughed so hard I almost **** my pants!" Well, the last day or so I've been feeling a little 'sluggish'. Maybe some of you more 'senior' guys know what I mean? Anyway, I've been following this thread with some small measure of amusement...........that is until I got to Marty's post. Things got ratcheted up several notch's. Then, an even better post from Hagen Gary that was a classic! Long story short; I did manage to save the trousers.

Fellers, it's true. Laughter really is the best medicine. I feel a new spring in my step. Thanks to all for the therapy! Don't anybody be shy now, please feel free to join in!

P.S. Tasted much better than prune juice. LOL

[GTX JOHN]

Ditto's to all you guys particularly Ken! Unfortunately it is quite a way from computer room to bathroom. I had to stop and toss my britches out about the 1000 ft. mark, unfortunately causing me to miss my dial by quite a bit! If I hadn't bought that new converter , I might have been able to afford indoor plumbing! If I continue to follow this Website, I may need a balistic diaper.... do they come in size 42? Thanks John Irving

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Allright Drooze,
Enough of this post whoreing. I've been visiting this forum and at this class racing thing 20 times longer than you (and I'm one of the younger ones) yet have 1/100 of the post you do. You avg. 3.17 post a day. It seems that you have an opinion on everything, but don't know ***** about class racing. My advice, Keep your mouth shut (that includes your keyboard) and find someone who knows what they are doing and can stand you, then learn from them.
Maybee you don't realize it, but asking about how to manage your second major sponser, or how you can build a car that will run 4 seconds under the index, or how you plan on making money on building a class car really strikes a nerve with people (like me) who have an extensive winning record, Thousands of unrecovered dollars in, with no real sponser in site, and have NEVER been 1.00 under the old index. I'd say 4 out of 5 of the people your asking these questions to are just like me.
Just because you have a brand new bogus car, and a "Former World Champ" driving it, doesn't mean you will turn that little light on right past the finish line. In fact, with the crap that flies from your mouth, and dealing with a new car, I'd be willing to bet your team's round win-loss record is heavy on the loss side. You arn't going to keep many sponsers like that, and you've allready alienated at least half of the people on this board from even wanting to talk to you in person (other than just to see if your as egotistical and ignorant as the character you play on this board). That aint going to sell that product either.
This is one of the few boards on the internet that is not all about who can run thier mouth the most about useless *****. I'd appreciate if you kept it that way so I don't have to sift through your hog wash just keep up with the topics.

BTW, The only people who care about your bike stories are the ones who run bikes down the strip, and they don't post here.

I was beginning to think I was the only one who couldnt stand this idiot and his BS. Good post.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

[QUOTE=Hagen Gary;163907]

Enough of this post whoreing. I've been visiting this forum and at this class racing thing 20 times longer than you (and I'm one of the younger ones)but don't know ***** about class racing. My advice, Keep your mouth shut (that includes your keyboard) and find someone who knows what they are doing and can stand you, then learn from them.

Its not about post whoring, it was a simple question, HOW and WHAT is the best way to deal with the ink for #2 knowing they want the car to themselves NOW ? But I cant do that, soooo.....

Trying to leverage the POTENTIAL is what I was looking for as well as "Term" of Agreement which we dont have .

Ill agree 100% I dont know **** about class racing, BUT , I kept my mouth shut for a while and didnt see anyone else asking the SPECIFIC Questions, Trans Cooler, and a ton of other items I have ASKED, I GET the answers I am looking for , its a pain for me to weed through the Chaff thrown here as well, I would preffer to have only answers posted and not have the threads take the directions they do, it makes it difficult to find the sincere answers. But many have taken to PMing them to me which I appreciate.

I have made more solid contact here IN THE CLASS RACING COMMUNITY, than I ever could have elsewhere....simple. So explain to me why I should stop doing something that is working for me simply because you would rather I dont ?!?!

I will take any good honest advice you have to offer, but Im not much one for "The Establishment" of anything, 9 times out of 10 they are there still trying to succeed and if someone comes along who thinks they can, they will be the first to tell you it cant be done the way that I am trying, Ive found that "It cant be done" only means the other party Dosent know how to do it themselves.

Am I supposed to bow in reverence because you have ". I've been visiting this forum and at this class racing thing 20 times longer than you " But then post the following ?

Maybee you don't realize it, but asking about how to manage your second major sponser, or how you can build a car that will run 4 seconds under the index, or how you plan on making money on building a class car really strikes a nerve with people (like me) who have an extensive winning record, Thousands of unrecovered dollars in, with no real sponser in site,

Ok.....well it may strike a nerve but a)it isnt my fault b)Im not your business manager and c)Im not going to stay quiet on something just because someone else is not capable. Think outside the box, look outside racing, or drag racing for people who are looking to tap that market. I found 2 with 3 phone calls.....Total time on phone 4 hours.

The economy sucks people are looking for untapped markets for products they already have tons of R&D in and are perfect fits for a different market...find em....If you want I will help and send you in some directions of things we decided not to purse because they werent a good fit for us, but they maybe for you.

Just because you have a brand new bogus car, and a "Former World Champ" driving it, doesn't mean you will turn that little light on right past the finish line. In fact, with the crap that flies from your mouth, and dealing with a new car,

Well its simple its about elimnating varaibles, I cant drive well enough to compete at a National level, yet, and I dont know I will ever be , I doubt I will. What I do KNOW is He IS capable, not that hes a lock but rather he is CAPABLE of doing something I have not done....simple problem solved. He is also aware of what it TAKE to win, and we will deffer to his knowledge period, I am setting the car up not for how I think it should be , but how HE thinks it should be and havent second guessed 1 item....He know , we dont.

I'd be willing to bet your team's round win-loss record is heavy on the loss side.

Hell, Ill GUARENTEE it will be , where did I ever day it wouldnt be ? I expect that. Its all about managing expectations, if we win 2 events this year at a National level I would be amazed and thrilled. I know how hard it is and dont have any expectation it isnt......? What was the point here.

You arn't going to keep many sponsers like that, and you've allready alienated at least half of the people on this board from even wanting to talk to you in person (other than just to see if your as egotistical and ignorant as the character you play on this board).

Well maybe publically thats true but for every negative post I get thrown in my direction I get about 4 or 5 PM's giving me the answers that I seek as well as them telling me how much they cant stand some of the people that are throwing crap in my direction (you are not one of them) so......I guess I see the stats from a different perspective. Everyday I have to empty my box which is becoming a pain because its all good info, and I dont want to loose track of the senders.
That aint going to sell that product either.

This **** is gonna sell itself PERIOD....Noone on the Drag side has seen anything like it. Simple....Its NHRA approved as of Oct 09 and well, an ECU that costs half as much as the Competing units for EFI cars and does twice as much its a leap above systems like the BS3 and Fast hands down, the old version did more than those and the new system is just coming of the assy line...........and has an extensive , extensive road racing, SCCA, and other records including land speed, and bikes...yes bikes.....but not 1 drag racer is running ? Yeah this is gonna sell itself, all that needs to happen is for it te be RUN and KNOWN...the rest will take care of itself, 3 other DP teams already are planning on the system because of our simply telling them about the system, they did their own research and made the decisions.

Besides they know me.... Thats why they made it happen.
So any "this that or the other" well they KNOW me personally and were good friends, theres little in that way ANYTHIN I can say or do that they a)dont expect and b)arent prepared for.

BTW, The only people who care about your bike stories are the ones who run bikes down the strip, and they don't post here

On that youre probably right, but its the only in life racing experience I have across the business side as well as the wrenching and running myself, there are many paralele you dont see. But in as much as that goes I use it as "Point of Refrence" in my posts since its the only I have.

So at least I will stop posting about my prior expereince in Motorcycles, I hope thats satisfactory Its all I can offer, and if its insufficient I apologize in advance.

[Hagen Gary]

I don't even know why I'm doing this but here goes,

Sportsman racing is not Pro Stock. Things work a little different here. People buy products from sponsors who fund cars that win and do it with class, Not allready well funded cars that have zero clue what they are doing pushing products on people. I can't ever rememeber Dan Fletcher saying, make sure you buy Vavloine and K&N and do it through Summit. We buy his prducts because he is a class act and is just plain good at driving. Whenever a sponsor drops him so that they can fund thier pro stock team, we drop them and buy from their competitor. I use Dan as an example, but their are many people we do the same thing for.

Your driver clearly doesn't know crap about sportsman racing either or you would have all these silly little questions answered for you allready. If that is the case then I would say that you could learn to drive just as good as him in the same amount of time. But then you wouldn't have all these sponsors throwing themselves at a name on the side of the car, so I would stick with your plan. I would also lock in that sponsor for as long as you possibly could, but what do I know, I'm to stupid to spend 4 hours on the phone looking for one. I'm also not a former pro stock world champ, so for me to get a sponsor requires winning.

I never said nor ment to imply that you should bow down to me because I've been doing this longer than you. It was a statement to prove a point that YOU POST WAY TO MUCH. I just clicked that little search button on the top of the page and pluged in Trans Cooler.. What do you know. 6 Threads totally devoted to what cooler is recomended for what application. Why revive one of those threads when you can wright a paragraph asking the same question... right?

Maybee its because I'm a stupid uneducated cajun boy, but where I come from, you don't ask people with a wealth of knowledge to just give you info without feeling as though you have earned it in some way. That seems to be a problem with people my age more than just you, so I guess I can't blame you for that. I also don't know why people would just give you hard earned info that will help you compete against them other than the fact that the majority of sportsman racers are just plain nice. Or it could be their bleeding harts feeling sorry for you. I think you will have a little bit of a harder time getting those PM's about how to cut a light and drive the stripe.

Once again, I would find someone who knows what they are doing, earn thier trust, and learn all you can from them. I am forever in debt to the people who taught me what I know, and thats what this CLASS racing is all about. Not bringing in a brand new car with a major sponsor and asking everyone in an open forum to tell you how to race it. I guess we think a little different though?

BTW, the only people who will be buying your ecu program are people building new cars, unless it will make it more easy to predict a dial, or picks up a few hundreds of et. If you have ever been to a race you will see that their are not as many new cars or FI cars as you may think. So make sure you lock that sponsor in.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Good points and I will take some of them to heart, I look at things different......its that simple, I EXPECT Nothing from someone, anything is a bonus.

Your driver clearly doesn't know crap about sportsman racing either or you would have all these silly little questions answered for you allready. If that is the case then I would say that you could learn to drive just as good as him in the same amount of time. But then you wouldn't have all these sponsors throwing themselves at a name on the side of the car, so I would stick with your plan. I would also lock in that sponsor for as long as you possibly could, but what do I know, I'm to stupid to spend 4 hours on the phone looking for one. I'm also not a former pro stock world champ, so for me to get a sponsor requires winning.

He does and we have chosen to take some of his advice, his job is on the track, MINE is in the office and shop. He is not of a personality type where he would throw things at us and expect us to do them, he knows what his strenths are and chooses to focus on those. He has good points, but in all honesty I can say he hasnt dealt with sponsors of these type before, they are from a different "arena" as it were and while "english" may be their primary language in the case of 1 , words like "wonky" arent in his vocabluary, I have dealt with people my whole life from that country and culture. BUT on this I am flying blind as its not a situation Ive been faced with before.....No problem is unique or only in my court, someone else has had this issue before and found what either works or dosent work and may or may not be willing to share it, thats what I was looking for.

YOU POST WAY TO MUCH. I just clicked that little search button on the top of the page and pluged in Trans Cooler.. What do you know. 6 Threads totally devoted to what cooler is recomended for what application. Why revive one of those threads when you can wright a paragraph asking the same question... right?

Probably that wont change, I come from a life spent communicating via computer in programming, fourms have been the #1 way to share that knowledge for some 10 years, Im used to it....and its effective.

So I can honestly say no matter how much people tell me to shut up as long as my questions are answered and goals are met , It will to your chagrin continue.

I also hadnt made a decision and wanted to hear pros and cons on the cooler, as well as a lot of PM's I made my decision, its actually a hybrid decision, because of dyno tuning and other I have mounted one above the trans crossmember, short lines, full flow. I can if need be and after dyno testing eliminate it should I choose to without worrying about associated plumbing, I would NOT have found the answer I was looking for without the guidance I was looking for here. The extra capacity even though its only a quart will be adequate to keep it a few degrees cooler for a few seconds more, and it as cheap, simple and what I see as a good solution, that may change but for now this is it.

I wouldnt have come to this solution without the knowledge and pros an cons of the approaches listed.




you don't ask people with a wealth of knowledge to just give you info without feeling as though you have earned it in some way. That seems to be a problem with people my age more than just you, so I guess I can't blame you for that. I also don't know why people would just give you hard earned info that will help you compete against them other than the fact that the majority of sportsman racers are just plain nice.

Ill agree with all of that, I dont know why they do either, but its appreciated, sincerly appreciated. AND Its 2 ways, although many choose to message direct, I am an OPEN BOOK on everything except cam and other engine internals that will make us competitive against other DP cars, I will still however share my OPINIONS if asked and point someone in that direction IF it has proved effective, I just wont give em my grind......they are the only direct competition in terms of speed in A I see, AA whole different landscape, the rest is all driver and theyve got as good or better shot than that of beating us by driving, so I dont see the competition direction.

I have as many here could if they cared to shared anything and everything related to DP cars that can assist them or their decision, and eventually they me....I gave first and NEVER expected anything in return, I post a daily blog as a way for them to keep abreast of things weve found and encoutered, here isnt the place as its too DP specific.The kindness was done to me on this forum by Mr M as I call him as hes a private individual and DP owner, He knows his **** and shares it freely, he is now far from the only one.

I have been lambasted by other DP Owners, a few for giving out TOO Much info ? Not mind you info they gave me, but rather things I learned on my OWN with these cars.....Well it may negativley affect them but for us and those in our "Drag Pak Confederation" it has been helpful, for the rest there is little yet I can give sound advice on that has been tested, some things like rotational mass against centerlines of motion I can, those were hard earned and are freely shared.

Once again, I would find someone who knows what they are doing, earn thier trust, and learn all you can from them. I am forever in debt to the people who taught me what I know, and thats what this CLASS racing is all about. Not bringing in a brand new car with a major sponsor and asking everyone in an open forum to tell you how to race it. I guess we think a little different though?

Im not asking them to tell us how to race it, in some cases when Im doing computer work its easier to ask here than pick up the phone to some of the same people I would be calling anyway. They are here, and post here, and PM here....so their schedules allow that as does mine.

But I appreecate all honest suggestions and digest them all.....just because I dont choose one dosent mean it wasnt instrumental in making my decision.

I choose to look and take all perspectives serious analyzye the results and origin of the decision see why they made them and tailor them to fit our needs. Its the process of learning.

BTW, the only people who will be buying your ecu program are people building new cars, unless it will make it more easy to predict a dial, or picks up a few hundreds of et. If you have ever been to a race you will see that their are not as many new cars or FI cars as you may think. So make sure you lock that sponsor in.

That is also 100% correct and insightful, the only ones who will later "change" to it are people who see it work well in competition, and as well as you pointed out newer FI cars, and Detroit isnt making anything BUT now.....hence the company thats sponosring us is hitting an untapped market in a growing area with the only real competition coming from Motec, BS3, FAST and DFI, lesser from people with other systems....good marketing on their part and something they asked to be able to participate in. I was more than willing to oblige, but did so a bit haphazzardly without thinking of long term issues.

And yes certianly we HOPE it will be capable of allowing a couple
hundreths, its resolution and processing speed are faster than anything out there, that lead to more accurate Maps and tables and response.

BUT Its one thing to say it another to SHOW it, and for that reason its kept "In the Hat" until after our Dyno and Track testing, itll be pretty hard to hide after that with their name emblazoned all over the car.

Thanks for your advice, and contrary to your thought it did not fall on "deaf ears" but for reasons you havent seen first hand and from our own expereinces here it is a logical approach for us to seek the assistance here and that will continue, just because I dont agree with it all dosent mean I didnt listen (that would be my X wifes MO)