dot compliance - Page 4

Scott Bechler · 12-09-2009, 10:36 PM

There are two issues that are getting confused.
1. USDOT motor carrier. If you operate your racing activities as a business, by deducting expenses from your taxes, and travel through more than one state, then you are operating in interstate commerce. If your vehicle combination is 10,001 lbs or more then you are a motor carrier and require a DOT number. If you transport your own equipment that you use for your business (racing) then you are a private motor carrier. If someone pays you to transport their equipment then you would be a "For Hire" motor carrier.
2. CDL. You can drive a 26,000 lb tow vehicle and a 10,000 lb trailer for a GCVW of 35,000 without having a CDL. If the trailer hits 10,001 or the tow rig hits 26,001 you have to have a CDL

Scott Bechler

Ed Fernandez · 12-09-2009, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Bechler

There are two issues that are getting confused.
1. USDOT motor carrier. If you operate your racing activities as a business, by deducting expenses from your taxes, and travel through more than one state, then you are operating in interstate commerce. If your vehicle combination is 10,001 lbs or more then you are a motor carrier and require a DOT number. If you transport your own equipment that you use for your business (racing) then you are a private motor carrier. If someone pays you to transport their equipment then you would be a "For Hire" motor carrier.
2. CDL. You can drive a 26,000 lb tow vehicle and a 10,000 lb trailer for a GCVW of 35,000 without having a CDL. If the trailer hits 10,001 or the tow rig hits 26,001 you have to have a CDL

Scott Bechler

OK,so if someone has a 4500 series dually and a 42' L/Q trailer what class CDL is required?

Ron Traupman · 12-09-2009, 11:06 PM

There are alot gray areas in DOT and the laws are changing everyday. We use J.J. Keller
for our questions and saftey program in our trucking company. The website is www. jjkeller.com and they are open 24/7 to answer any questions. Believe me when I say the laws change everyday. Also every state has their own little laws too. Just my 2 cents.

26,001 and over with air brakes (CDL B)
26,001 and over combo(truck and trailer) CDL A
RV's no cdl
alot of you guys can run (NOT FOR HIRE) on your trailer

63corvette · 12-09-2009, 11:12 PM

ED, a CDL covers everything, for a commercial operation except the Hazardous Materials endorsement, which is a total other issue when you carry fuel of a certain amount.

For a non commercial operation a non commercial Class A covers the dually and trailer. I am sure a 4500 dually and a 42 ft trailer goes over the 26,001 combined weight.
I have the Class B for my motor home and trailer less than 10,001 lbs GVW.

It really is confusing for people and what makes it worse is there are as many ideas on what the rules mean as there are police officers to try and enforce them.

My 2 Cents

Ed Fernandez · 12-09-2009, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 63corvette

ED, a CDL covers everything, for a commercial operation except the Hazardous Materials endorsement, which is a total other issue when you carry fuel of a certain amount.

For a non commercial operation a non commercial Class A covers the dually and trailer. I am sure a 4500 dually and a 42 ft trailer goes over the 26,001 combined weight.
I have the Class B for my motor home and trailer less than 10,001 lbs GVW.

It really is confusing for people and what makes it worse is there are as many ideas on what the rules mean as there are police officers to try and enforce them.

My 2 Cents

Thank you.I'm just running senarios through my head.I currently am a CDL B w/air.

BlueOval Ralph · 12-10-2009, 07:56 AM

JJ Keller is one of the best companys out there! But
RV's no cdl this is ture only if Titled in Personal Name if if it is in a Company Name the it is comerical and all DOT laws apply!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Traupman

There are alot gray areas in DOT and the laws are changing everyday. We use J.J. Keller
for our questions and saftey program in our trucking company. The website is www. jjkeller.com and they are open 24/7 to answer any questions. Believe me when I say the laws change everyday. Also every state has their own little laws too. Just my 2 cents.

26,001 and over with air brakes (CDL B)
26,001 and over combo(truck and trailer) CDL A
RV's no cdl
alot of you guys can run (NOT FOR HIRE) on your trailer

MFR440 · 12-10-2009, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scotty D

ok racers here you go i went to the imis show in indy yesterday and stumbled upon this booth,if he is at the pri show i highly recomend talking to him.it's the NTCI(national transportation consultants inc) their name's is Joeseph Y Morrison and Robert E Siefert they did a seminar on tuesday and had a booth set up and had all kinds of free literature including a cd of the seminar.also said you could call at 1-317-770-0953 and ext 100 or 123 or cell numbers are 1-317-698-9500 for robert or 1-317-294-8560 for joseph.very nice guys to talk to this was a very informative little chat.also i forgot to put that there is a website it is www.ntconsult.com

These guys are in my hometown, where my Dad still lives. He has an appointment with them next week. I will try to post what he finds out, although our situation may be different - we have a dually pickup with a 48-ft gooseneck with living quarters. According to Indiana BMV, it is an RV and is plated as such. :-)

Mark Callanan · 12-10-2009, 10:15 AM

MFR440

How is the truck registered?

Tony Janes · 12-10-2009, 11:29 AM

Mark has a point. The registration of the power unit is what is important.

63corvette · 12-10-2009, 11:39 AM

Like Blue Oval Ralph says it all depends if it is a business or a personal rig.
If it is a personal truck or motor home like mine is it just takes the Class B or Class A non commercial.
From having racer friends and long discussions of this at the races in the evenings it seems a motor home pulling a trailer is usually left alone. The same for the dually and 5th wheel trailers. The ones drawing the most attention is the toter homes and the stacker trailers. Toter homes closer resemble long haul trucks so they seem to draw more attention.
The biggest thing that is getting people pulled over now seem to be over length.
I witnessed that coming home from Pamona last month. On I-40 Jim Heads car hauler and motor home pulling a stacker trailer were traveling together. The motor home was stopped by the Ca Highway Patrol near Needles and it looked like they were measuring it as we went by. About a mile down the road was the car hauler pulled over waiting.
The motor home was a tandem axle 42 or 45 ft pulling about a 30 ft stacker which would have put him at close to 80 ft in length. Ca length law is 65 so I am sure he was in trouble. We went by and kept on going.
Again it all depends on the police officer and what he thinks the law is and there is a lot of different opinions.
My 2 Cents

12-09-2009, 10:36 PM	#31
Scott Bechler Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Culpeper, VA Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: dot compliance There are two issues that are getting confused. 1. USDOT motor carrier. If you operate your racing activities as a business, by deducting expenses from your taxes, and travel through more than one state, then you are operating in interstate commerce. If your vehicle combination is 10,001 lbs or more then you are a motor carrier and require a DOT number. If you transport your own equipment that you use for your business (racing) then you are a private motor carrier. If someone pays you to transport their equipment then you would be a "For Hire" motor carrier. 2. CDL. You can drive a 26,000 lb tow vehicle and a 10,000 lb trailer for a GCVW of 35,000 without having a CDL. If the trailer hits 10,001 or the tow rig hits 26,001 you have to have a CDL Scott Bechler Last edited by Scott Bechler; 12-09-2009 at 10:40 PM.

12-09-2009, 11:06 PM	#33
Ron Traupman Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pittsburgh Pa. Posts: 43 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: dot compliance There are alot gray areas in DOT and the laws are changing everyday. We use J.J. Keller for our questions and saftey program in our trucking company. The website is www. jjkeller.com and they are open 24/7 to answer any questions. Believe me when I say the laws change everyday. Also every state has their own little laws too. Just my 2 cents. 26,001 and over with air brakes (CDL B) 26,001 and over combo(truck and trailer) CDL A RV's no cdl alot of you guys can run (NOT FOR HIRE) on your trailer Last edited by Ron Traupman; 12-09-2009 at 11:15 PM.

12-09-2009, 11:12 PM	#34
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 551 Likes: 127 Liked 353 Times in 102 Posts	Re: dot compliance ED, a CDL covers everything, for a commercial operation except the Hazardous Materials endorsement, which is a total other issue when you carry fuel of a certain amount. For a non commercial operation a non commercial Class A covers the dually and trailer. I am sure a 4500 dually and a 42 ft trailer goes over the 26,001 combined weight. I have the Class B for my motor home and trailer less than 10,001 lbs GVW. It really is confusing for people and what makes it worse is there are as many ideas on what the rules mean as there are police officers to try and enforce them. My 2 Cents

12-10-2009, 10:15 AM	#38
Mark Callanan Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: southern maine Posts: 383 Likes: 162 Liked 64 Times in 14 Posts	Re: dot compliance MFR440 How is the truck registered? __________________ Mark Callanan 1027 STK

12-10-2009, 11:29 AM	#39
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: dot compliance Mark has a point. The registration of the power unit is what is important. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-10-2009, 11:39 AM	#40
63corvette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Canyon, Tx Posts: 551 Likes: 127 Liked 353 Times in 102 Posts	Re: dot compliance Like Blue Oval Ralph says it all depends if it is a business or a personal rig. If it is a personal truck or motor home like mine is it just takes the Class B or Class A non commercial. From having racer friends and long discussions of this at the races in the evenings it seems a motor home pulling a trailer is usually left alone. The same for the dually and 5th wheel trailers. The ones drawing the most attention is the toter homes and the stacker trailers. Toter homes closer resemble long haul trucks so they seem to draw more attention. The biggest thing that is getting people pulled over now seem to be over length. I witnessed that coming home from Pamona last month. On I-40 Jim Heads car hauler and motor home pulling a stacker trailer were traveling together. The motor home was stopped by the Ca Highway Patrol near Needles and it looked like they were measuring it as we went by. About a mile down the road was the car hauler pulled over waiting. The motor home was a tandem axle 42 or 45 ft pulling about a 30 ft stacker which would have put him at close to 80 ft in length. Ca length law is 65 so I am sure he was in trouble. We went by and kept on going. Again it all depends on the police officer and what he thinks the law is and there is a lot of different opinions. My 2 Cents

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