64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis

2021STK · 10-11-2009, 01:00 PM

Stewart, I do understand no scoops are allowed to be added in GT, I was just trying to illustrate/exaggerate the fresh air engine concept in a non-fresh air body for the sake of this conversation.

Adger, I agree with your view 100%, that is exactly the way I read the rulebook. In fact the '69 Corvette L88 hooded car was the example I used in Dinwiddie this weekend at tech. I hadn't seen a '69 Camaro with a cowl hood yet in GT but that is an identical situation that I'm trying to clarify, I appreciate you pointing that out.

Thanks guys,
Dave

R GARY · 10-11-2009, 03:11 PM

How would you run a 68 cutlass w/fresh air to a cowl induction 396 in GT class. Ron

BIGDAD · 10-11-2009, 03:50 PM

So, if the car is a 383 combo to fit gt/ea

And no 383 cars had factory scoops, how is it that he can run that , not to mention all the other items

Like alum heads, etc, etc. ?

Rory McNeil · 10-11-2009, 04:09 PM

[QUOTE=BIGDAD;145476]

And no 383 cars had factory scoops, how is it that he can run that ,

QUOTE]

I`m pretty sure that the 383 was available with the "Air Grabber "scoop on 70-71 Road Runners, and maybe a Shaker on 70-71 Cudas, no?

Adger Smith · 10-11-2009, 04:16 PM

BigDad,
I think what is being missed with this discussion on the GT cars is there are two issues that make it a GT class.
1. body/trim/acessories package to the body style chosen
2. engine/drive line combination
They don't have to match (come from the MFG as one package) or compliment one another as in traditional Super Stock
A.He has chosen a car combination that came with a hoodscooped Hemi.
B.He then chose a 383 engine/power train combination (the 383 combo could have also had a shaker hood scoop)
A+B = GT/EA

X-TECH MAN · 10-11-2009, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGDAD

So, if the car is a 383 combo to fit gt/ea

And no 383 cars had factory scoops, how is it that he can run that , not to mention all the other items

Like alum heads, etc, etc. ?

The car its self is a Hemi car (it could also be a Max Wedge body with the dropped center on the scoop and be legal) with alum front end that came with a straight across the top hood scoop so the hood scoop is legal for GT/EA (Alum hood....not fiberglass in NHRA.....fiberglass in IHRA ONLY). If the engine installed was avaliable with fresh air it is allowed to use the existing scoop. I havent heard a straight answer about what if the engine was not a cold air version. Some say OK some say NO????????
As far as the engine goes I do not know of any 383/440 legal to use alum heads. Still waiting for all the Hemi experts out there to tell me whats the deal on the 1964 hood pins. Henged or pined or both????

X-TECH MAN · 10-11-2009, 04:31 PM

Want to stir up more "POOP" ? Which wheelbase is legal? The Hemi cars came with a 1 inch shorter wheelbase than the Max wedge or 383 cars.

Adger Smith · 10-11-2009, 04:52 PM

Terry,
Bringing up wheel base....that's not fair. Stir, stir.. LOL! There is only one legal wheel base. You know, the wheelbase has to do with the original car/combo chosen.
Just ask me all about wheelbase. I've earned the right to be an expert.
I guess you could split the one inch difference (between Hemi and Max wedge) and it would still make the 3/4" rule and be legal.

Mopar Steve · 10-11-2009, 04:58 PM

Hinged. Most had two front pins though.

Jeff Teuton · 10-11-2009, 05:29 PM

The Chuck Raburn car was Tim Heberts car which was Jim Hale's car who built it as a clone. A very good car. I suspect Jim has just built another clone. He may have the hood scoop worked in smooth, but I doubt if its glass. Lift off mmmmmm our original had hinges.

10-11-2009, 01:00 PM	#1
2021STK Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 281 Likes: 280 Liked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis Stewart, I do understand no scoops are allowed to be added in GT, I was just trying to illustrate/exaggerate the fresh air engine concept in a non-fresh air body for the sake of this conversation. Adger, I agree with your view 100%, that is exactly the way I read the rulebook. In fact the '69 Corvette L88 hooded car was the example I used in Dinwiddie this weekend at tech. I hadn't seen a '69 Camaro with a cowl hood yet in GT but that is an identical situation that I'm trying to clarify, I appreciate you pointing that out. Thanks guys, Dave

10-11-2009, 03:11 PM	#2
R GARY Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: edmond okla Posts: 17 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis How would you run a 68 cutlass w/fresh air to a cowl induction 396 in GT class. Ron

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BIGDAD Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Green Valley , Texas ! Posts: 13 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis So, if the car is a 383 combo to fit gt/ea And no 383 cars had factory scoops, how is it that he can run that , not to mention all the other items Like alum heads, etc, etc. ?

10-11-2009, 04:09 PM	#4
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,103 Times in 301 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis [QUOTE=BIGDAD;145476] And no 383 cars had factory scoops, how is it that he can run that , QUOTE] I`m pretty sure that the 383 was available with the "Air Grabber "scoop on 70-71 Road Runners, and maybe a Shaker on 70-71 Cudas, no? __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

10-11-2009, 04:16 PM	#5
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis BigDad, I think what is being missed with this discussion on the GT cars is there are two issues that make it a GT class. 1. body/trim/acessories package to the body style chosen 2. engine/drive line combination They don't have to match (come from the MFG as one package) or compliment one another as in traditional Super Stock A.He has chosen a car combination that came with a hoodscooped Hemi. B.He then chose a 383 engine/power train combination (the 383 combo could have also had a shaker hood scoop) A+B = GT/EA __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 10-11-2009 at 04:18 PM. Reason: SP

10-11-2009, 04:31 PM	#7
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis Want to stir up more "POOP" ? Which wheelbase is legal? The Hemi cars came with a 1 inch shorter wheelbase than the Max wedge or 383 cars.

10-11-2009, 04:52 PM	#8
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis Terry, Bringing up wheel base....that's not fair. Stir, stir.. LOL! There is only one legal wheel base. You know, the wheelbase has to do with the original car/combo chosen. Just ask me all about wheelbase. I've earned the right to be an expert. I guess you could split the one inch difference (between Hemi and Max wedge) and it would still make the 3/4" rule and be legal. __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

10-11-2009, 04:58 PM	#9
Mopar Steve Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 92 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis Hinged. Most had two front pins though.

10-11-2009, 05:29 PM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis The Chuck Raburn car was Tim Heberts car which was Jim Hale's car who built it as a clone. A very good car. I suspect Jim has just built another clone. He may have the hood scoop worked in smooth, but I doubt if its glass. Lift off mmmmmm our original had hinges. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

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