64 Plymouth GT/EA in Ennis

[troublemaker427]

All four of the '64 AFX cars "2%" cars started as max wedge cars. In early photos they even had the double hump hood scoops. All of the available 426 Hemis were in Daytona going in circles....

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by troublemaker427

All four of the '64 AFX cars "2%" cars started as max wedge cars. In early photos they even had the double hump hood scoops. All of the available 426 Hemis were in Daytona going in circles....

I have a picture of Bud Faubles "HONKER" after it set the NHRA record at Cecile County in early 1964. It is a 440 bench seat 2 door hardtop with the alum front end (X Max Wedge car). It still has the Max Wedge hood scoop but the grill was changed to the single head light grill with the 426 Hemi under the hood. Never assembly line produced but pass NHRA tear down anyway so anything was possable.

[BIGDAD]

WOW !!!

Looks like a swatted a hornets nest ?

I am not the sharpest pencil in the box but, two things I "think" I seen ..

The hood to me appeared to be glass and the heads appeared t o be alum (seen what looked like alum poking thru the paint ..but, I'm not positive so do say I said for sure on either of those..

Here it is

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by BIGDAD

WOW !!!

Looks like a swatted a hornets nest ?

I am not the sharpest pencil in the box but, two things I "think" I seen ..

The hood to me appeared to be glass and the heads appeared t o be alum (seen what looked like alum poking thru the paint ..but, I'm not positive so do say I said for sure on either of those..

Here it is

Fiber Glass was never accepted as a legal replacement for the Alum front end components in NHRA. IHRA does allow it due to cost and avaliablity. That is a " 2 door hard top" so the hood would HAVE to be hinged and was most likley a Max Wedge car when new unless its a put together car "born: with a different engine.

[BIGDAD]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Fiber Glass was never accepted as a legal replacement for the Alum front end components in NHRA. IHRA does allow it due to cost and avaliablity. That is a " 2 door hard top" so the hood would HAVE to be hinged and was most likley a Max Wedge car when new unless its a put together car "born: with a different engine.

Hood was not hinged, it lifted off .. That I'm 100% positive about
There was no departure line tween scoop and hood

"one piece" ..I did not place my hands on it but, my old eyes told me
Thats glass

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by BIGDAD

Hood was not hinged, it lifted off .. That I'm 100% positive about
There was no departure line tween scoop and hood

"one piece" ..I did not place my hands on it but, my old eyes told me
Thats glass

I might step on some toes here but it could be the "East Coast" and "West Coast" rule book deal.....LOL. If its a clone (or real) of a steel Hemi car then the front fenders and hood must be STEEL and have a hinged hood with an alum. scoop. If its a MAX Wedge body (clone or real) it should have a hinged alum hood, scoop and fenders. Max Wedge STEEL cars never had a hood scoop. The only lift off hoods in 1964 were the 330 2 door sedans and 2 door sedan Savoys but Im not saying all of the 2 door Hemi sedans had lift off hoods. As John Lang said some most likly came (Late Build date) with hinged hoods. One more car......several years ago Dave Wren and Mopar somehow got a 2 door hardtop Belvedere with an Alum front end legal and in the class guide using a race Hemi to drop into a lower class and it was runner up at Indy a long time ago. If this is the combo in question then the hood should still be hinged. Mother MOPAR made some wierd stuff when it suited them or NHRA rules dictated it. Maybe Carrol Shelby wrote a letter.....LOL. and the games continue.

[Bob Pagano]

Its Alum. no way Wesley would let that fly with fiberglass in Div 4 . A good body man can close the gap along the sides, you cant trust the old rivets, thats why there are more hoods without scoops.

[Mopar Steve]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I might step on some toes here but it could be the "East Coast" and "West Coast" rule book deal.....LOL. If its a clone (or real) of a steel Hemi car then the front fenders and hood must be STEEL and have a hinged hood with an alum. scoop. If its a MAX Wedge body (clone or real) it should have a hinged alum hood, scoop and fenders. Max Wedge STEEL cars never had a hood scoop. The only lift off hoods in 1964 were the 330 2 door sedans and 2 door sedan Savoys but Im not saying all of the 2 door Hemi sedans had lift off hoods. As John Lang said some most likly came (Late Build date) with hinged hoods. One more car......several years ago Dave Wren and Mopar somehow got a 2 door hardtop Belvedere with an Alum front end legal and in the class guide using a race Hemi to drop into a lower class and it was runner up at Indy a long time ago. If this is the combo in question then the hood should still be hinged. Mother MOPAR made some wierd stuff when it suited them or NHRA rules dictated it. Maybe Carrol Shelby wrote a letter.....LOL. and the games continue.

Dave Wren's car was a steel nose Hardtop built for SS/DA in 1969. I spoke with Dave Koffel (who built the car for Wren) in detail about this car. Wren broke in the finals and Ron Mancini was given the Runner Up finish at the Nationals that year with his SS/DA steel nose Hemi '64 Dodge.

For what it's worth, I own the Mancini Dodge. I have researched the 4 steel nose Hemi's that were built for SS/CA and SS/DA in 1969 and can confirm the above as fact.

[jimi]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I might step on some toes here but it could be the "East Coast" and "West Coast" rule book deal.....LOL. If its a clone (or real) of a steel Hemi car then the front fenders and hood must be STEEL and have a hinged hood with an alum. scoop. If its a MAX Wedge body (clone or real) it should have a hinged alum hood, scoop and fenders. Max Wedge STEEL cars never had a hood scoop. The only lift off hoods in 1964 were the 330 2 door sedans and 2 door sedan Savoys but Im not saying all of the 2 door Hemi sedans had lift off hoods. As John Lang said some most likly came (Late Build date) with hinged hoods. One more car......several years ago Dave Wren and Mopar somehow got a 2 door hardtop Belvedere with an Alum front end legal and in the class guide using a race Hemi to drop into a lower class and it was runner up at Indy a long time ago. If this is the combo in question then the hood should still be hinged. Mother MOPAR made some wierd stuff when it suited them or NHRA rules dictated it. Maybe Carrol Shelby wrote a letter.....LOL. and the games continue.

terry i have the paper work givin to my dad by farmer in the early 1980's that states in s/s these cars (322 body) can run all of the aluminum(fenders doors hood scoop single head light grill etc) hinged hood with light springs etc. my father and uncle george ran ss/ba from 1984 with our car and it is still a ss/ba car now, the only thing we were not allowed to use was the afx plexiglass front windshield (travis made sure of that), the paper work even allows the use of plexi or lexan replacement side windows as long as it is the same thickness as the light weight glass.
that is the nice part of ss/gt for the mopars ,hood scoop hemi car with a 273,340,361b block? any thing is possible

[Dave Kommel]

Originally Posted by BIGDAD

There was no departure line tween scoop and hood

"one piece" ..I did not place my hands on it but, my old eyes told me
Thats glass

Not sure what you were looking at, but our pic clearly shows a gap between the hood and scoop.



And here is a link to an action shot of the car: Jim Hale GT/EA