Nitrous and .90 racing

[Michael Pliska]

Originally Posted by dhmoore

To get more cars at the div. Races, nhra could change the rule on the weight..2800 lbs. Is so stupid. And you know that a heavy car is not as safe as a lite one on. ( i mean mass)

I agree with this part (although it probably wouldn't help Derek). My car (like many "old school" S/G cars) is too light to run S/ST while meeting the limitations on added ballast. It would cost a lot less to run S/ST than to update my car enough to be competitive in today's S/G environment.

[Villain281H]

Originally Posted by dhmoore

Your all missing the point... A blower or super charger, and a turbo charger can not be changed going down the track. You cannot change the boost or the pullys,

n2o is a chemical. It is also very explosive, do you want some jurk next to you with no brains with this stuff? I have been to the track and seen a intake explode, it hit joe deluca in the head...

Ah, of course. Everyone that builds a blower or turbocharged motor can't possibly blow it up (hmmmmm, Top Fuel and Funny Car ring a bell??), but all the nitrous racers will (guessing you based this on watching Fast and the Furious). Last I checked, backfires happen on carburetors without a nitrous system, so does that mean we all have to go to EFI to be safe now? And of course I can change my nitrous settings as I go down the track. I'll just keep the hood open, launch the car and change the jets as I see fit AS I'M RACING!

Originally Posted by dhmoore

If you want to go faster take some weight out OF your car, it takes some work so get off your fat lazy *** like most racers do..
n2o just makes a soso driver look good, cant cut a lite just hit the bottle ...wow
dan moore prez.......

Beautiful closed mind sir. You've never met me, yet I'm fat, lazy and an *** all at once. Okay, I go glass hood, bumpers and light seats, and why not dump the full 3 inch exhaust for 70 additional pounds on a car already making 425 rwhp. Now I can run 10.90s. But wait, that stuff isn't free! So I'm shelling out $1,000 plus to run the index, now my car isn't streetable. Or instead we come back to the $500-600 nitrous system idea, and I can still enjoy the car both ways? Hmmm tough call....

A little 411, the nitrous is on the car for TNT and fun runs at the moment, and last I checked racing was supposed to be for fun. And another fact, if you cut a crappy light, going faster than your index or dial-in doesn't offset that bad light to get you a win. But thanks for the tip! Maybe I'll get off my butt and try that. Should work great for a so-so driver like me....

Derek Putnam

[GRIGGS]

Come on Derek, just because you drive a nova with a 2.2l ricer engine in it, you don't have to be so mean. If you really wanted to go fast, i'll loan you a couple a hundred horsepower to get your sled movin'.
Mike

[FlyingMonkey2565]

OK guys cool your tempers. It's not personal.
The main reason NOS is not permitted is because of the"Unfair Advantage" factor.

Unfair Advantage: for example- you launch and on take off you know you spin badly,you are behind as you approach the finishline. You hit the nitrous which shoots you forward to take the finishline. Giving your competition no fair chance to DRIVE the finishline.

Now, all NOS users will not use it like this, but it's there so that they can if they choose. So remove the NOS and remove the Unfair Advantage factor.

Get it? Now stop calling each other names and behave. We want more 10.90 racers to join us, not think we're a bunch of Monkeys.

[Michael Pliska]

Originally Posted by FlyingMonkey2565

OK guys cool your tempers. It's not personal.
The main reason NOS is not permitted is because of the"Unfair Advantage" factor.

Unfair Advantage: for example- you launch and on take off you know you spin badly,you are behind as you approach the finishline. You hit the nitrous which shoots you forward to take the finishline. Giving your competition no fair chance to DRIVE the finishline.

Now, all NOS users will not use it like this, but it's there so that they can if they choose. So remove the NOS and remove the Unfair Advantage factor.

Get it? Now stop calling each other names and behave. We want more 10.90 racers to join us, not think we're a bunch of Monkeys.

Ed,
That's the way it was explained to me 20+ years ago, but I used my throttle stop override the exact same way (my stop was just activated by a switch on the shifter). Of course the massive speeds in .90 racing today kinda negates that advantage.

Regards,
Michael Pliska

[FlyingMonkey2565]

Yep Michael
That's what we all did back in the "olden days".
But we couldn't take the finishline with 150-250hp burst with any thing but Nitrous.

Originally Posted by Michael Pliska

Ed,
That's the way it was explained to me 20+ years ago, but I used my throttle stop override the exact same way (my stop was just activated by a switch on the shifter). Of course the massive speeds in .90 racing today kinda negates that advantage.

Regards,
Michael Pliska

Yep

[Villain281H]

Ed,

Nothing personal; just defending my my fat lazy *** side.
I pose this question: if nitrous is such an unfair advantage in a class where the key is to run your index/dial-in, why isn't EVERY BRACKET RACER USING IT? Maybe because if you dial YOUR car correctly and cut the tree, it doesn't matter what the other guy does. He could whack the gas a dozen times, I'm still driving the stripe the same.
And for the record, I'd be using the spray on a timer to run the 10.90 standard. Funny thing about timers, I hear some index racers use them.

Originally Posted by Michael Pliska

Ed,
That's the way it was explained to me 20+ years ago, but I used my throttle stop override the exact same way (my stop was just activated by a switch on the shifter). Of course the massive speeds in .90 racing today kinda negates that advantage.

Regards,
Michael Pliska

Thank you, we have a winner! Nitrous isn't allowed, but what's to stop you from running a mega-horsepower set-up on the throttle stop til the last 100 feet then go wide open throttle? Nothing in the rules against that, or hitting the override if you "spin", or even running 150+ mph in a class where some guys are going 125-130 like a 10 second car would. But nitrous isn't allowed, and beyond the "possible" hazards of idiots not paying attention to their set-ups, it's an unfair advantage?? Well I guess I just don't "get it" according to Mr. Moore.

I see people warming their race cars up on jacks instead of jack stands. Dangerous, and yes could cause a nasty accident. Have we stopped selling jacks? Fuel burns with a match, but we still sell fuel. Should we punish all b/c of one example?

Dan, I had a small talk with Snakes recently. Since you now know who I am, maybe next time you will consider thinking before typing. I understand everything can be used for good AND bad, but maybe try seeing the "other side" next time instead of being too quick to judge without having ALL THE FACTS.

All in good debate,

Derek

[dhmoore]

Your right i dont know you. And you will never understand the diff. Between the two power adders. And we are a long ways from running ( nitro methane ) you just will not get it.. End of story........

Too explode a engine with a blower or turbo, you need to have a engine failuer, not the fuel..... Nos, like i said is a chemical

look at the flash points of
gas
alcohol
nitro methane
nos

its not the liquid that burns, its the fumes. You dont need compression for nos to fire, i still have an open mind. but you will never tell me that it is fair to race nos in the .90 classes

[dhmoore]

momy i dont want to be a monkey, i want to be a (DONKEY) HAHAHAHAH..how am i doin?????

[ItsyBitsySpider]

Dan, I'm glad you don't really talk like you type (no one would ever understand you).
I suggest we all start saving our pennies to buy you a spell check... and don't worry hon, you're a donkey most of the time

Originally Posted by dhmoore

momy i dont want to be a monkey, i want to be a (DONKEY) HAHAHAHAH..how am i doin?????