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[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by JrRacer2033

Thank you Mike for the clarification! I've got one situation I would like to hear your thoughts on. So lets say you have someone covered (or believe to have someone covered), you play it safe on the tree and get "treed" by .05, would you risk running -1.15 knowing you would receive HP to get back around them to get the round win or just dump and race another weekend?

Yeah, I probably would. -1.15 won't get you hurt *too* bad. The rule was you had to run -1.15 twice (at different Nat'l events), or you, plus one other racer with your combo (at that or another Nat'l) both had to run -1.15 to triggger an evaluation, and if that particular combo averaged more than one second under during that half of the season (all data goes into first or second half of the season), it would then get HP. Which favors a combination with many cars running it ('67-'69 Camaros with a 396 or 350, '80 something 305 Camaros, for example). There could be two slow cars for every fast one, and the combination would not average a second under, and be safe from getting hit with horsepower. A one of a kind or rare combo, like those I have raced, where there are few or no one to bring the average down, could get hit with HP more easily). The rules were changed slightly for this season, and one racer earned HP by making two runs of more than -1.15 at the same Nat'l. He was the only racer with that combo, at the only Nat'l he ran all year, and received HP, so the rules may have changed. However, if a racer runs more than -1.40 at ANY race (Nat'l, Divisional, Nat'l Open, during qualifying, Class or Eliminator), they get automatic HP the Monday after the race, and more then they would if the combination averaged, say, -1.18 for that particular half of the year. So with that long, complex explanation, YES, I would run -1.15 and take the win and take the chance of maybe getting hit, as long as I got the Wally at the end of the day. If I knew I was going to go -1.20 on that run and STILL NOT WIN, I would lift and live to fight another day.

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Yeah, I probably would. -1.15 won't get you hurt *too* bad. The rule was you had to run -1.15 twice (at different Nat'l events), or you, plus one other racer with your combo (at that or another Nat'l) both had to run -1.15 to triggger an evaluation, and if that particular combo averaged more than one second under during that half of the season (all data goes into first or second half of the season), it would then get HP. Which favors a combination with many cars running it ('67-'69 Camaros with a 396 or 350, '80 something 305 Camaros, for example). There could be two slow cars for every fast one, and the combination would not average a second under, and be safe from getting hit with horsepower. A one of a kind or rare combo, like those I have raced, where there are few or no one to bring the average down, could get hit with HP more easily). The rules were changed slightly for this season, and one racer earned HP by making two runs of more than -1.15 at the same Nat'l. He was the only racer with that combo, at the only Nat'l he ran all year, and received HP, so the rules may have changed. However, if a racer runs more than -1.40 at ANY race (Nat'l, Divisional, Nat'l Open, during qualifying, Class or Eliminator), they get automatic HP the Monday after the race, and more then they would if the combination averaged, say, -1.18 for that particular half of the year. So with that long, complex explanation, YES, I would run -1.15 and take the win and take the chance of maybe getting hit, as long as I got the Wally at the end of the day. If I knew I was going to go -1.20 on that run and STILL NOT WIN, I would lift and live to fight another day.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey

I guess that you missed the NHRA change regarding the setting of AHFS triggers for 2009.

NHRA omitted from the AHFS the statement that is posted on their web-site in the Competition Section "Only the quickest run of each event is recorded for each competitor"

Get killer air at 1 (one) National Event at sea level, run 2 (two) runs that are -1.15 or quicker under and you have instant trigger.

I guess that NHRA figured that the best way to keep the Stock & Super Stock racers informed of updates to the system was by omitting certain words to completely change the way that the AHFS is operated.

In my opinion that is a perversion of the process.

What ever happened to full disclosure and a list posted on the NHRA web-site of the year to year changes to the AHFS???

It just makes me feel that the NHRA is our adversary and not our partner, with always trying to get over on us.

Kind of gives you that warm fuzzy feeling when you hear "I'm from the NHRA and I'm here to help you"

But I suggest that if you hear that, look over your shoulder and don't bend over.

Bob


Disclaimer:
NHRA has many fine and upstanding employees of high moral fiber but these are not the people who have established the punitive policies that we have to deal with. Thanks to ALL of the dedicated NHRA employees who against tremendous odds attempt to improve the Drag Racing experience and you know who you are.

[Mike Carr]

Hi Bob. Yeah, I knew they changed something this year, that's why I stated about the car that ran one Nat'l all this year and got hit. It was a V/SA Mopar at Topeka. Qualified #1, and got hit from that race's data only, which was never like that before. I remember the uproar on this forum in late July after several combos got hit. I also remember reading something about the process changing based on how many cars were involved in the trigger process, in a sliding scale format of how much HP and/or how many cars in the date accumulation will be dished out, but I can't find it now. I agree, if there is a system in place, regardless WHAT it is (AHFS, Grade Points, etc), it should be PUBLISHED, so everyone can see in black and white what the rules are. Hard to play by the rules when one doesn't know what they are. Hope things are well out in California.

[keith ohanesian]

Anthony that was GREAT!! Buff Daddy for d1 director!

[AC]

Thanks Keith, figured some humor could do us all good. See you at Atco!

[Paul Wong]

Anthony that is definitely the best response I have seen in quite a while.

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by keith ohanesian

Buff Daddy for d1 director!

Keith, I don't know about all that...might upset a few people in that line of work. Hell, I can tick people off easy enough as it is. lol