New rules for 2010?

[Phillip marvetz]

[QUOTE=Sean Kennedy;142085]Fair enough. But it does hurt a lot of people.

But following that same line of logic... if we are going to allow head porting in stock (let's be honest, it is allowed regardless of what the rules say) why not just kill the class and make everyone run super stock?

How about ... if you lift at 1000 and still run 1.20 or more under your index you get an automatic HP hit? That'll never happen, because it's the fast guys that get hurt.

I like the idea of automatic AHFS at 1.00 under, but it'll never happen. And even if it did, all those fast guys will still lift early... they just lift at half track instead of 1000ft.

Is there a way we can do this without screwing over the slow guys? Or are we just not welcome in stock? I have been told that before...... But I don't think you feel that way.

It's not because I'm not trying. Last year when we brought out the new motor it was .05 over the index. The last time I ran in stock, at the national event, it was going .30 under. It just didn't show... I was running in F, and can't get the car below G weight.

And not just the slow guys, it makes it harder for anyone to get into the class and get their feet wet. That is actually a concern to me because fields are shrinking not growing. I'm afraid by the time I have the dollars and experience to build something fast I won't have very many guys left to race against. I just feel like we need to be keeping this an entry level class. I know I'm probably the only one, but I'd be in favor of having a few import classes so we could get some new blood into the class. I don't want to watch the impending slow death of stock eliminator, but it's pretty much what is happening right before our eyes.



So Sean, now who's paranoid? Don't worry little buddy by the time you have enough money to go racing again you'll be to old to cut a light anyway. And why the hell would you run F if you can't even make the lower end of G weight? Maybe you need to put those good heads back on............

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

So Sean, now who's paranoid? Don't worry little buddy by the time you have enough money to go racing again you'll be to old to cut a light anyway. And why the hell would you run F if you can't even make the lower end of G weight? Maybe you need to put those good heads back on............

Thanks for being so complimentary Phil.....

Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function.

It looked like there were going to be more G and H cars, so I can F. I'm so far down the latter it's not like it makes a difference whether I run .1 under or .30 under. So mathematical odds of getting a heads up would be less.

It turned out not to really matter, there were 2 cars faster than me in all three classes. But none the less, basic math Phil. The less cars in your class the less chance of a heads up.

The 'good' heads were not legal. As in blatantly not legal. The person who Steve Kelly had rebuild the motor did some grinding in the ports..... So they are junk for stock eliminator. The car ran good with them, we went .6 under with that setup, so believe me I'd love to use them.

[Phillip marvetz]

Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function.

You got me there little fella

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function.

You got me there little fella

Check your PM's, bud.

[X-TECH MAN]

Going back to using class winners ONLY and inspect each one in teardown (let the GOOD tech guys do their jobs) for the eliminator would cure all this BS of shutting off at 1000 ft. It would also make the AHFS system work like it should especially if the trigger was brought down to .8 under. Get rid of that farthest under qualifyer and a lot of the bogus and high dollar stuff will start to go away. Thats the way it was done for years until the slow guys whined. If you didnt win class you got to watch on Sunday.

[randy wilson]

it does not matter if they raise the index 2 seconds or lower it 5 seconds, it is still just a bracket race. and if you run someone in your exact class, and run 3 seconds under or 5 seconds over the car with the power wins. i love superstock, but it has lost the mystique. we have no real fan base like they had in the 70s.

[Jim Bailey]

Gump, I don't have a problem with any of the new cars. As long as the car can be purchased at the dealer, titled, and legally driven home. Then and only then should the car be eligible to be factored and compete as a Stocker. Stevie Wonder can tell the difference between a Drag Pac Challenger and a Showroom Challenger, or a New Showroom Mustang and a New Cobra Jet. I'm talking about "Purpose Built Factory Racecars". They are Superstockers.. period.. end. If you're gonna let them in stock, give them their own class or limit them to AA. I'll take my lumps (already have) and hope that the AHFS works, but wait for the whinning when the New Challenger starts showing up with the other "approved" engine combos and it infiltrates the lower classes....JB