AHFS Question

[Chuck Norton]

After reviewing the most recent list of horsepower assessments, it occurs to me that it must be possible for one car, at one race, on one weekend, to earn a percentage hit based on exceeding -1.15 the index more than once and, at the same time, establishing an average for the combination that makes the assessment inescapable. Obviously, I don't have access to all the run data but I've been going through the limited information that's available and I can't recall a previous instance in which the system was applied in this manner.

A case in point that caught my attention is the instance of the number one qualifier in Stock at Topeka. As far as I can tell, that car attended only one national event during the first half of this season and was assessed a horsepower penalty last week based solely on runs at that one event. I am not aware of anyone else running that particular combination during that segment of the season so it appears that one racer at one event both triggered a review and established the average leading to an assessment all in the course of one day.

Were there other combinations affected by this interpretation? Has this interpretation been applied previously and I just missed it?

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[Mark Yacavone]

Chuck, It seems to me someone posted some AHFS rules and asked it they were new and what they meant. Of course ,they were undecipherable mumbo jumbo that could be taken to mean one thing, or just the opposite.
I CAN tell you, it didn't happen to me last year with one strike in one rating period, with my one of a kind V/Stick combo.

[Chuck Norton]

Mark,

Did you earn your strike by running -1.15 once in one weekend or did you assume that, having exceeded the magic number once that weekend, another such run at the same event would be part of the first strike or that it would be the final nail in the coffin? (Sorry for the "coffin" reference. Us old guys shouldn't use that word lightly!)

c

[Bob Pagano]

The way Wesley said it works is 1.15 triggers a look and 1.40 automatic review.

[Chuck Beach]

The 1.15 has to be triggered twice for a combo in the review period (first half or last half of season) and 1.40 is automatic except in D3, Travis and the tech dept. tears you down after the 1.40 under run.

[Travis Miller]

Chuck, Maybe this will help explain:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...0/ai_n9306341/


Travis

[Chuck Norton]

From Travis's reference:

3. For 2004, two runs by the same combination or the same class that are 1.15-second or quicker under the index during the evaluation period will trigger the AHFS process. With the change, two runs from the same driver or two different drivers would have to be posted to trigger the system and cause changes. This will help filter out "one-time fast runs" in categories where there are one or few numbers of a specific combination.
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Thanks, Travis. That explains things to some extent. The application of the system as defined by the above passage would appear to sanction the awarding of horsepower in instances when one car, with one driver, on one extraordinary day, could be assessed power as in the case of the number one qualifier at Topeka.

To Chuck Beach: That's the way I understood it, too (except the part about the teardown. It is my personal opinion that the teardown should be required in any trigger or automatic situation.) The wrinkle that I had not previously understood is that, in the Topeka scenario, the two triggers came literally within minutes of one another thus giving a different look to the term "one-time fast runs." There seems that not everyone has viewed this part of the system in the same light.

To Bob Pagano: I think my response to your observation is the same as Chuck Beach's. The two trigger runs (and quite possibly the horsepower hit) are interpreted to be runs by one driver, at one event, on one day.

I find it interesting that I'm getting a lot more phone calls, PMs, and e-mail than are reflected by the responses to this post. The unofficial count of combinations that were affected adversely by this interpretation during this segment has risen to three.

c

[Chuck Beach]

Chuck,
I think there is still some confusion on the two trigger scenaro, my understanding is it had to be at different races, you didn't get 2, 3 or more triggers at the same race. Travis, am I wrong about this?

[novassdude]

From Travis's reference:

3. For 2004, two runs by the same combination or the same class that are 1.15-second or quicker under the index during the evaluation period will trigger the AHFS process. With the change, two runs from the same driver or two different drivers would have to be posted to trigger the system and cause changes. This will help filter out "one-time fast runs" in categories where there are one or few numbers of a specific combination.
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The way I read this it says any two runs. So I would think two runs by the same car on the same day should trigger the system.
This does make it bad for a person with a one off combo. But if they are clear on the system they can control their own situation. Had he been clear on how the system works after he ran more than 1.15 under he could have backed it down to save his Horse power rating.

[Chuck Beach]

I am not disagreeing with what it says, but making 2 or more runs under at a good track at the same race makes no sense. You are at a race at Maple Grove and there is class and the weather is great. There are 8 really good cars in your class. You win class and you made 3 runs under 1.15 in your one off combo. All the other guys ran just as fast or faster than you did but you out drove them. You get HP and since there combo is more common, they don't.