take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Ken Haase

"all the numbers just made bad drivers better "

Huh, never did done hep me any! LOL

Are ya' gonna leave the MOV on the slip? I always kinda liked seeing how bad I got my *** whipped.

Me too!!

[bill dedman]

OK; Ed, I get it. You think they're using the information off the timeslip to adjust the delay..

Fair enough.

Looks like we need better tech support for electronics sleuthing. How do you use a delay box in a footbraked (no transbrakes in Stock) car?

You can easily watch a transbrake car as it's being stalled and see that the chassis is not receiving any of that torque, so how do they use a delay box in a Stocker?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

Bill
If there is no reaction times on the slip it would be harder to use a delay device which I'm sure on one would use in class racing .

This is a common misconception. A delay box would be *more* useful without reaction times shown on a timeslip. Go to a test and tune, roll numbers in until you turn it green. The only time you'd have to make any serious adjustment would be going from track to track to make up for rollout differences, but with just a small amount of data, that hump would quickly be overcome as well -- and the delay box user would be able to make those compensations much more quickly and accurately.

It is a little hard to understand how anybody could drive a car that goes 1.10 60ft. times and not go red on the bottom bulb or get out of a that car and jump into a car that goes 1.40 60ft and everything is dandy . Bottom bulb my a** . Have a nice day

Slow transbrakes, long buttons, different tire sizes, different converters, different chassis setups, blinders, etc. It's not exactly a black art.

I made one pass in a SS/CM car a few years back. I assumed that the rollout would be very quick, so I 'hung' the bottom bulb on just a hair, and came up .032 or so. I quickly figured out that the rollout was actually identical to the Stocker I was driving at the time.

On the flip side, I've also driven cars that had the same 60', ET, and MPH, but the rollout was as much as a tenth different between them!


Having incrementals on a timeslip allows you to spot problems in the car, or heaven forbid, in the timing system.

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

If one doesn't understand how a delay device could be used or for that matter useful in a class such as Stock or Super Stock you should ask the two racers that were using them, one in Stock & the other in Super Stock. Wasn't it Travis Miller D3 & Wesley Roberson D4 that each found cars with delay devices in classes where they were prohibited?

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

If one doesn't understand how a delay device could be used or for that matter useful in a class such as Stock or Super Stock you should ask the two racers that were using them, one in Stock & the other in Super Stock. Wasn't it Travis Miller D3 & Wesley Roberson D4 that each found cars with delay devices in classes where they were prohibited?

You must mean the guy that got BUSTED at Ennis on April 20,2002 because the Emmon's Boys were paying attention !!!
26 4981 K/SA Ron Muncy, Weatherford TX, '79 Malibu 12.461 12.95 -0.489

And wasn't on the final qualifying sheet.....and has never returned.....

[John DiBartolomeo]

Come on Michael, problems with the timing system? That can't happen, can it? I don;t think enough people realize how many times it "really" happens.

[Danny Ashley]

Bill,
Using a delay box on a footbrake car just requires installing a second line-loc into the rear brakes and a two-step. I put on on my Stocker about mid-year in 1988 when they were legal but had some inconsistency issues. Replacing the solid-core plug wires with carbon type and killing the field on the altenator solved the problem. Unfortunately I didn't get it sorted out until after the Keystone Nationals and delay boxes were outlawed in 1989. Mr. Muncy was caught because motion was detected in his arm and shoulder but I believe it can be successfully operated undetected with the left foot. I'm sure people smarter than me has already figured this out. Danny

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

Michael
I'm sure your a better driver than I and I can't adjust my leave by a hair and to be honest with you I don't think you can either but that all aside do the math a lighter car that leaves harder will ALWAYS move quicker and that includes the first 8 inches . You are right if you adjust a box 1 time it will be close anywhere and will not take much adjustment but sometimes you only get 1 hit at the tree and if your red and don't know how red it would still help the guy not using the box some and if you don't think some of this is going on well I can find you a bridge worth the money . Have a nice day

Pretty sure he can, Ed. I know a young guy over here that can do it. He gets alot of practice though. Every time there's money up for grabs , he's there with two cars. Makes a big difference.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

do the math a lighter car that leaves harder will ALWAYS move quicker and that includes the first 8 inches .

That is incorrect, due to a huge number of variables not taken account for -- some of which I noted in my earlier post. As just a for-instance, a Super Gas car reacts as fast as a Pro Stock car. Top Fuel cars don't react very fast at all, due to the clutch and massive tire wrap-up.

As another example, take my Volare with a 1.45 60', Terry Knott's Dart Sport with a 1.50 60', and my Duster bracket car with a 1.60 60'. Terry's car reacts the fastest of the three, followed by the Duster, and the "quickest" of the cars, the Volare, reacting the slowest. With the SS/CM car I referred to earlier, the slow transbrake, long button, and much larger tire (more slick wrinkle), had the same rollout as Terry's Dart. I've also driven a SS/BX car, which was the 3rd quickest car I've driven, yet it was the fastest-reacting car I've driven, by a TON.

A lot of things happen that effect reaction time *before* the car physically starts moving forward.

John D -- My "favorite" timing system error I've seen is one where it gives the correct incremental times, correct MPH, yet trips the finish line with the BACK tire. I saw this happen about four times in one day. We could fill a whole separate thread with timing system "nuances".

[Tom Moock]

John Kelley, Question who purchased both of Ron Muncy cars? I don`t think they found the delay system on Ron car? Wesley asked Ron if he had a delay system and he said yes, and went home and sold his cars, That`s the way i heard the story. Tom