AA/SA @ Norwalk OH

[JHeath]

So Larry, your car is a "paper car" also?

You've been crying about these so called "paper cars" for how many years now? Back in 2001, you were complaining about Lance Line and Matt Morgan. Then you started on Bill Hawk and Ken Miele, and now apparently Barton's car is a paper tiger too.

Here's a question. How many of these "paper cars" have deprived you of a class win?
Or, how many of these "paper cars" have prevented you from winning a national event?

Maybe you should worry about your own stuff instead of crying about three cars in the entire country.

[bill dedman]

Paper cars are not the problem; bogus HP factors are the problem.

NHRA added HP to the "paper" NASCAR Hemi before it ever hit the track, but these 2008 Mustangs with a 425HP factor and a 700+HP engine continue, unabated (one was the #1 qualifier at the Div V Points race this weekend.)

I can't IMAGINE that anybody with anything BUT one of those blown, injected, 4-valve Mustangs thinks they have a prayer in AA/SA (or, stick) if they choose to show up for a Class elimination, or "shootout."

At 140+ MPH, they're sure gonna be hard to stay ahead of... no matter how "soft" they leave.

[Larry Hill]

David "Paper Boy" Barton; I believe John will have his car in AA/SA to protect it from running 1.15 under at Norwalk. Last week at N.J. John went 1.21 under in elimination, so I believe he will protect the combination by running in AA/SA. I still believe its going to be a great class to watch, Good Luck to all.

There is an interesting picture a few years back in the National Dragster of the best appearing car at a Division One Points race, the picture has a SS/FA 1970 'Cuda 440 six pack, Allen Dame car owner, Bob Lang Division One director, and Bruce Bachelder NHRA Tech.

What is a "Paper Car": one that was never built, or that the public could never purchase.
Paper Cars: 1998 LT1 Camaro, 428 fords with 2.200 crank pin size, L 88 carburetor, dove heads, .527 lift cams, bell housing for a C4 to a FE block, almost forgot Eldebrock Aluminum Heads. Nascar Hemi with a street intake, aka The Short Track Manifold. If they are going to race the Nascar deal at least put the correct manifold on it. The 08 Corbra is a real car its way under factored but a real car you can buy for around $75000

Mr Heath I have lost to Lance Line, John Foxbower, Mike Winke and Marty Burke, for class AFTER the discovery of the .527 lift cam and the replacement carb. Ken Miele out drove me then out ran by .02 the first round a class at Gainesville one year. Ken beat me with the real stuff.

I believe you are correct I just need to work on my stuff. I would appreciate your help, I have a 1972 Dodge Charger with a 400 4sp. I was wondering what class that it would figure?

Thanks for your Help.

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Paper cars are not the problem; bogus HP factors are the problem.

NHRA added HP to the "paper" NASCAR Hemi before it ever hit the track, but these 2008 Mustangs with a 425HP factor and a 700+HP engine continue, unabated (one was the #1 qualifier at the Div V Points race this weekend.)

I can't IMAGINE that anybody with anything BUT one of those blown, injected, 4-valve Mustangs thinks they have a prayer in AA/SA (or, stick) if they choose to show up for a Class elimination, or "shootout."

At 140+ MPH, they're sure gonna be hard to stay ahead of... no matter how "soft" they leave.

I don't have a dog in this hunt but I think what I am about to write rings true; is there any combo that makes the power NHRA or IHRA factors it? If all the combos made the power they were factored the high hp cars will dominate right? Quit worrying about the bs rules package NHRA created and race. When the paper cars and underfactored cars run too fast if they are legal weight and run anywhere other than Division 6 or 7 they will be factored.

[bill dedman]

>>>"is there any combo that makes the power NHRA or IHRA factors it?"

No.

Is there any you can name (other than the 2008 CJ's) that make nearly THREE HUNDRED HORSEPOWER more than their factor?

Name one... please.

It's a matter of degree...

[Larry Hill]

I'm with Ken and Dave it would be cool to have a AA/S and AA/SA shootout. I would supply a bottle of Kentucky's finest to the winner. Everyone could put in an extra $100 each with an 80/20 split.

[Evan Smith]

Serious question:

Quite a few Mopar guys have shown me "paperwork" on this T/A hood deal, but nothing direct from Chrysler. How come none of the top-of-the-line diecast companies, which go to great lengths to re-create muscle cars accurately, ever build a Hemi or 440x6 Challenger with a T/A hood? And How come you never see one restored that way at a car show or on Barrett-Jackson?

Also, was the AAR hood an option too on a 440, because I've seen that deal too?

[David Barton]

Larry, what is the correct intake manifold for the NASCAR Hemi?

On a different note, if there is a shootout Al Carp said he will put up $500 and so will I.

Just to clear things up, we run the NASCAR combo because NHRA said we're allowed to. And because Al's '70 Hemi Challenger was hit 215 pounds. I don't make the rules, I just race by them. If it were up to me I'd like to run the crossram, except I'd probably have to weigh 3900.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Evan Smith

Serious question:

Quite a few Mopar guys have shown me "paperwork" on this T/A hood deal, but nothing direct from Chrysler. How come none of the top-of-the-line diecast companies, which go to great lengths to re-create muscle cars accurately, ever build a Hemi or 440x6 Challenger with a T/A hood? And How come you never see one restored that way at a car show or on Barrett-Jackson?

Also, was the AAR hood an option too on a 440, because I've seen that deal too?

I had a semi factory deal (had to buy the car but everything else was free) in 1971 along with Gene Collins on a Dodge Challenger and it came with a 383 and a shaker hood like Dave Boertmans Rod Shop car. The word as I heard it later that year is the shaker hoods became hard to get and several Challengers came thru with the T/A hood. Never saw one until many years later though. I never heard anything on the 'Cudas with the AAR hood. Its no different than the .527 cam on the 428 CJ's or anything else that is allowed these days. NHRA allowed the hoods years ago so they are allowed to run them. Not much different than Edelbrock heads on 396 Camaros and 390/428/427 Fords. Not to mention the NASCAR Hemi. Its not what is stock....its what is allowed these days is all that counts. The single 4 Hemi had a low rise bath tub shaped intake manifold with a 3 barrel carb (remember those?). I have the numbers at home but good luck in ever finding the correct pieces. .

[GARY JACOB]

I have an original nascar short track intake and carb. The intake is a dual plane type and the carb is a vacuum secondary with lemans type bowls. The carb is listed in the holley spec manual as a 1965 hemi nascar. The intake looks just like the later crate hemi single carb intake but is made from mag.