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[S.E. Buchanan]

As I have told you in an earlier post. Most of the time if you see an opponents red
lite in time(which I did in the above case) I tried to see if I could red lite if I left
with just a hint of yellow instead of my usual solid yellow. As you can see I could.
This proves nothing in the last many pages of posts except You are distracted or
relax or can try something if you see a red lite in time.

I hope this ends this debate.

It was a very lively one.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by SEBuchanan

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This proves nothing in the last many pages of posts except You are distracted or
relax or can try something if you see a red lite in time.
I hope this ends this debate.
It was a very lively one.

The debate is NOT over...!
With the proposed new programming of the christmas tree.....NEITHER RED LIGHT would come on until BOTH cars left the starting line.
Either change it or do away with "First or Worst" on breakouts. Make the first to the finish line on a double breakout the LOSER........PERIOD !!

[Bob Don]

Originally Posted by SEBuchanan

As I have told you in an earlier post. Most of the time if you see an opponents red
lite in time(which I did in the above case) I tried to see if I could red lite if I left
with just a hint of yellow instead of my usual solid yellow. As you can see I could.
This proves nothing in the last many pages of posts except You are distracted or
relax or can try something if you see a red lite in time.

I hope this ends this debate.

It was a very lively one.

What if you DIDN'T see your opponent's red light? You wouldn't know how well they hit the 'tree and YOU would have to try and cut a good one (and take the risk or redlighting yourself).

[GarysZ24]

Mark: This is just another wrong that should (but won't) be righted...my thoughts on the divisional layout being the first, but I gave my .02 last year following the end of the '08 season, with meager support although parity in geographics would arise if implemented...

Bill: It's a major shame that with all of the other changes that've been made that affect the way we Americans live, that something old that's served its time and should be modernized won't, but who're we???

John: Bill, Bob, and I are with you in regards to this debate not being over, because what's fair for one should be fair for all...I hope that the rules committee will explore the rationale behind the collective ideas of yours, Bill's, and mine (plus anyone else who understood & agreed with the logic behind our ideas), when this season is over.

In the mean time, I'm fretting over the fact that there's only 22cars in Stock Elim. this weekend in Fallon, Nv., and I'm not able to be up there in it (for budget & time off from work restrictions). I'd be willing to bet some bucks that Div. 6's holding a divisional the same wknd had something to do with the reason both Stock/Super Stock car counts are much lower than they would be if those races weren't contested the same wknd., when they're within 800 miles from each other (for one), and Boise, Id. is actually closer to Fallon, than it is to Spokane, Wa.??? Again, my .02 worth

[Dion Hildebrandt]

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In the mean time, I'm fretting over the fact that there's only 22cars in Stock Elim. this weekend in Fallon, Nv., and I'm not able to be up there in it (for budget & time off from work restrictions). I'd be willing to bet some bucks that Div. 6's holding a divisional the same wknd had something to do with the reason both Stock/Super Stock car counts are much lower than they would be if those races weren't contested the same wknd., when they're within 800 miles from each other (for one), and Boise, Id. is actually closer to Fallon, than it is to Spokane, Wa.??? Again, my .02 worth[/QUOTE]

i read this post and felt it neccesary to respond, the car count in spokane only has 2 div 7 cars on the q-sheet out of 40 in stock and 1 div 7 out of 17 in super stock. all the rest are div 6, my point being maybe it is a low count just because it is a low count, look at the S/S count in spokane as well.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Dion Hildebrandt

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In the mean time, I'm fretting over the fact that there's only 22cars in Stock Elim. this weekend in Fallon, Nv., and I'm not able to be up there in it (for budget & time off from work restrictions). I'd be willing to bet some bucks that Div. 6's holding a divisional the same wknd had something to do with the reason both Stock/Super Stock car counts are much lower than they would be if those races weren't contested the same wknd., when they're within 800 miles from each other (for one), and Boise, Id. is actually closer to Fallon, than it is to Spokane, Wa.??? Again, my .02 worth

i read this post and felt it neccesary to respond, the car count in spokane only has 2 div 7 cars on the q-sheet out of 40 in stock and 1 div 7 out of 17 in super stock. all the rest are div 6, my point being maybe it is a low count just because it is a low count, look at the S/S count in spokane as well.[/QUOTE]

Dion,

Not only did I look at the S/S count at Spokane as well, I also looked at last years entries for both races, and my point was made by the fact that 3 S/S racers, and 4 stockers were at last years Fallon Div 7 race. Since Div 6 waited a weekend to hold their Kent, Wa. divisional, they had Jimmy DeFrank out there with both his S/S & Stocker cars, plus 3 other div 7 racers made the trek up to Kent, which helped both divisions with the added revenues from their neighbors racers. Yes their car counts were small, but they could've been larger if the brain trust's from both divisions didn't schedule those two races the same weekend. That would be like div 4 scheduling a race in Ennis, Tx. the same weekend that div 3 would hold a divisional in Kentucky, with numerous racers living in Tennessee...div 4's loss would be div 3's gain (when both could gain if the races were held one wknd after the other...not the same one?)!

[Dion Hildebrandt]

i agree with the competing raceday schedules being a problem, but if there is something that could be done about it why isnt there? like yourself i couldnt make my div race, mine was due to mechanical failure on the way though. out of div racing is going to happen like it or not, the attendance of competitors is up to you and me and every other racer out there to increase not complain about it. sorry about the highjack

[treessavoy]

Doesn't the "HRA's" look at this problem as the "first is worse" foul? This would enable them to justify the double red light problem.

Just playin' devil's advocate...don't start yellin' at me.....lol!

A look at my race log showed me that most of my red lights came when I was racing a slower car and had to leave second.

Jim R

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Dion Hildebrandt

i agree with the competing raceday schedules being a problem, but if there is something that could be done about it why isnt there? like yourself i couldnt make my div race, mine was due to mechanical failure on the way though. out of div racing is going to happen like it or not, the attendance of competitors is up to you and me and every other racer out there to increase not complain about it. sorry about the highjack

Bummer about the mechanical failure Dion . Hopefully it was corrected so that your next race you'll be able to attend? I wish you well in that...due to slow business at my work, I'm hoping that I'll somehow be able to race Bakersfield, & Vegas this fall, but I'm not holding my breath...I'll be cheering for you and all of my racing buds throughout this great country of ours!!!