Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF!

Jack Matyas · 05-15-2009, 07:29 AM

Ed - I'd have to agree -- it wasn't fair -- it wasn't even fun -- kind of like fishing with a hand grenade . Things do have a way of sorting out -- that same LT1 H/SA combo is now C/SA and still competitive .............and a lot more expensive ! !

junior barns · 05-15-2009, 07:52 AM

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J Heath said, " I have never seen more crying about 1(one) car(combo) such as this."

That's because you've never seen such an unfair, ridiculously UNDER-FACTORED car enter Stock Eliminator before.
(with apologies to Bob Shaw)

It's never happened.

Nobody has a problem with the car, itself; it's the NHRA-mandated HP factor they put on it that is the problem.

Fix the factor and the problem will go away.

What's wrong with that?

I SECOND THIS STATEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bill dedman · 05-15-2009, 08:49 AM

Ed O'Brien said, "If I recall things right the LT1's ran in H/SA and what was so fair about that ?"

Nobody said that was fair, and they got horsepower, did they not? They no longer run H/SA.

The pity is / was, it took forever to happen, and so will this CJ deal if NHRA is left to their own devices. The AHFS is just not effective from a time-standpoint, in dealing with this sort of problem.

In the meantime, two wrongs don't make a "right." This needs to be addressed sooner, rather than later.

My 2-cents....

Jack Matyas · 05-15-2009, 08:55 AM

Bill -- One of the reasons it took so long to "catch up" was because there were so few cars running the LT1's in the beginning but there are plenty of the CJ's out already and more coming -- they will "slip up" and get factored much faster ..........

Harry 6674 · 05-15-2009, 08:59 AM

If we truely want to be fair than we better put some horsepower on the big block chevys also. They seem to be atleast 200 horses over their 430 factor.Add enough weight and they will all be junk.

Jack McCarthy · 05-15-2009, 09:42 AM

i am a poor man...but i have $1000 in cash if any car can out qualify the 30 year old CADDY ...
anytime, any track.

jack mccarthy
p.s. bob might wanna bet some too

only difference is bob runs in U/SA and all the millionaire whiners dont give a crap

Jack McCarthy · 05-15-2009, 09:44 AM

i need to add ... and pass a Wesley or Travis technical inspection

jack

Dick Butler · 05-15-2009, 10:26 AM

Jack, I rest my case No Body Cares about the Caddy.

X-TECH MAN · 05-15-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

i am a poor man...but i have $1000 in cash if any car can out qualify the 30 year old CADDY ...
anytime, any track.

jack mccarthy
p.s. bob might wanna bet some too

only difference is bob runs in U/SA and all the millionaire whiners dont give a crap

you hit the nail right on the head !

junior barns · 05-15-2009, 11:26 AM

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Yes, the new CJ is modern technology, not the antiques most everyone else runs. Also doesn't everyone's stocker/superstocker make more horsepower than their factored hp.? Maybe we should start dynoing current record holders, and adjust factored hp. accordingly. Nearly every make has combinations that have bogus numbers. If the new CJ is so fast and that much better, go buy one! Just my 2 cents worth.

Todd Leitner 5112

I wish they would !!! Both or all combo's that run in these classes in race trim would NOT come within a 100HP of the CJ'S Sure a good 427/425 chevy will produce over 600 hp but this new CJ will (before its all done) top 800 hp IMO

05-15-2009, 07:29 AM	#1
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,931 Likes: 407 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! Ed - I'd have to agree -- it wasn't fair -- it wasn't even fun -- kind of like fishing with a hand grenade . Things do have a way of sorting out -- that same LT1 H/SA combo is now C/SA and still competitive .............and a lot more expensive ! ! __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

05-15-2009, 07:52 AM	#2
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! bill dedman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 714 Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- J Heath said, " I have never seen more crying about 1(one) car(combo) such as this." That's because you've never seen such an unfair, ridiculously UNDER-FACTORED car enter Stock Eliminator before. (with apologies to Bob Shaw) It's never happened. Nobody has a problem with the car, itself; it's the NHRA-mandated HP factor they put on it that is the problem. Fix the factor and the problem will go away. What's wrong with that? I SECOND THIS STATEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

05-15-2009, 08:49 AM	#3
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! Ed O'Brien said, "If I recall things right the LT1's ran in H/SA and what was so fair about that ?" Nobody said that was fair, and they got horsepower, did they not? They no longer run H/SA. The pity is / was, it took forever to happen, and so will this CJ deal if NHRA is left to their own devices. The AHFS is just not effective from a time-standpoint, in dealing with this sort of problem. In the meantime, two wrongs don't make a "right." This needs to be addressed sooner, rather than later. My 2-cents.... __________________ Bill

05-15-2009, 08:55 AM	#4
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,931 Likes: 407 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! Bill -- One of the reasons it took so long to "catch up" was because there were so few cars running the LT1's in the beginning but there are plenty of the CJ's out already and more coming -- they will "slip up" and get factored much faster .......... __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

05-15-2009, 08:59 AM	#5
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! If we truely want to be fair than we better put some horsepower on the big block chevys also. They seem to be atleast 200 horses over their 430 factor.Add enough weight and they will all be junk.

05-15-2009, 09:42 AM	#6
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! i am a poor man...but i have $1000 in cash if any car can out qualify the 30 year old CADDY ... anytime, any track. jack mccarthy p.s. bob might wanna bet some too only difference is bob runs in U/SA and all the millionaire whiners dont give a crap __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

05-15-2009, 09:44 AM	#7
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! i need to add ... and pass a Wesley or Travis technical inspection jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

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Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! Jack, I rest my case No Body Cares about the Caddy.

05-15-2009, 11:26 AM	#10
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Bogus Cobra jet HP- PROOF! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote Yes, the new CJ is modern technology, not the antiques most everyone else runs. Also doesn't everyone's stocker/superstocker make more horsepower than their factored hp.? Maybe we should start dynoing current record holders, and adjust factored hp. accordingly. Nearly every make has combinations that have bogus numbers. If the new CJ is so fast and that much better, go buy one! Just my 2 cents worth. Todd Leitner 5112 I wish they would !!! Both or all combo's that run in these classes in race trim would NOT come within a 100HP of the CJ'S Sure a good 427/425 chevy will produce over 600 hp but this new CJ will (before its all done) top 800 hp IMO

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