Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise

Tommy Gaynor · 05-09-2009, 03:41 PM

I agree with GD! If your reliable sources had any nuts they would step up and say I saw "X"! Until someone has the stones to use your real name and say what you saw. It's just a bunch of rumors and lies. So come on bring it! Lets get the "Reliable Sources" off their ***'s and tells us what they saw, where he "Drained the water" and how light he was! If any of them took 7th grade physical science they would know the car could have not been that light even if water was drained!

P.S. And yes Old Guy, Hal does build my engine but that has nothing to do with facts!

Tommy Gaynor

herbjr · 05-09-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy Gaynor

I agree with GD! If your reliable sources had any nuts they would step up and say I saw "X"! Until someone has the stones to use your real name and say what you saw. It's just a bunch of rumors and lies. So come on bring it! Lets get the "Reliable Sources" off their ***'s and tells us what they saw, where he "Drained the water" and how light he was! If any of them took 7th grade physical science they would know the car could have not been that light even if water was drained!

P.S. And yes Old Guy, Hal does build my engine but that has nothing to do with facts!

Tommy Gaynor

Lets see water is 7lbs per gallon, my crate motor NON STOCKER as you NHRA guys call it holds over 4 gallons of water. So I guess I cant get rid of 21 lbs read quick figuring only the radiator and top of heads. 3 gallons.

Anyway no not going to build that combo 69 440 but close. Keep guessing and Ill let you know.

My dad Herb McCandless Sr is probably one of the best fabricators in the country, my son is 14, he told me he wants his grandson to run a car he built. After doing this wagon 3 weeks ago I realized he might be 65 years old but can work magic with metal and his knowledge on this stuff is amazing. Stay tuned. And as far as the 1.40 under deal, he went 1.39 so if he then went 1.40 and now is trying to get it not to count thats his deal not mine. But if I go that close I'm adding weight or dumping at the 1000.

herb jr

Tommy Gaynor · 05-09-2009, 06:25 PM

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! Hal was 40lbs light! Check the scale log! 1 core radiator 1.5 gallons top end maybe 2 gallons. 24.5lbs far short of the 40lbs he was light. They screwed up moving weight in the pits get over and go work on your ****! I also think it is funny to compare this to the Henson/Libby scandals. They drove past the scales and last time I checked it has a lot of detail on bypassing the scales in the rulebook. Even if the water Scandal of 2009 happened I still can't find anything on it in the rulebook. What page is it on Old Guy? Oh yeah and how are Sherlock Holmes and the boys you had at the scale coming with the info? I gave you the easy one he was 40lbs light! If they saw it where was he at? I gotta hear this one.

Tommy Gaynor
A real racer with a real name that was there!

Ed Fernandez · 05-09-2009, 07:52 PM

This subject is a prime example why S/SS is in decline.!lb 50lbs it doesn't matter.The guy was tempting
fate when he ran the 1.40 under.A guy with Sorensens experience doesn't make a 40 lb mistake.That's a big weight swing.The point is what consequences you face depends on WHO you are and where you are.And of course "my friend" would never do anything wrong,he works hard on his combination.
In the end this board is a place to pass time and just raise controversy.It also is,when used correctly
a great place to get information.

Ed F.

Jamie Loge · 05-09-2009, 09:33 PM

Tommy, Come on!!! While I appreciate your loyalty to your engine builder, it does not do any good to try and defend a blatant wrong doing. As was my thought on the previous incident that was somewhat similar last year at Sanoma by a different racer, Good for them, they pulled a fast one and got away with it. Both cars can and sometimes do run in my same class and yes it drives me nuts knowing that the last time I got hit HP, one of my tallies was a complete "ACCIDENT" simply because I just did not think the car would go that fast. Maybe I am stupid, but when I got my time slip the thought of losing weight before the scales somehow never crossed my mind. From what I read, it looks as if your saying they would have been light regardless of "WATER DRAINING." If so, why would they bother going through the trouble? Seems to me when they went up to make the pass they had every intention of making a legit run to set the record and "ACCIDENTALLY" went to fast and then proceeded to alter weight before the scales to make sure they would be light. I am pretty sure that just shouldn't be done. Just so happens that the scales were fluctuating to make it seem they were lighter than they really were. I have heard numbers of 15 to 20 lbs. in fluctuation in the scales which would make them only 20 to 25 lbs. light. What were those numbers you were figuring in your previous posts? 28.5 lbs. They got lucky and good for them.
Now on to another thought, the Sorensen brothers are very intelligent, there is no doubt about that. Every thing they have ever had has been fast, real fast. But obviously that combo needs hp if they are legit. I would like to think that when it comes to my combo I have come pretty close to max on potential. I have all the good parts and the right guy building the engine. If that said right guy were to have my car he may be able to squeeze another seven hundredths to a tenth out of my car max. By what I can figure, Sorensen would have had me covered by about four tenths. So if said guy had my car he would have it covered by three tenths. He could take the hp and still have me covered by at least two tenths. That really erks me when I got hit six hp last year because I made two runs just barely over -1.15 under and I can get outrun by four tenths. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some left to boot. I was always curious how fast that car really was and now I guess I know. Or do I?
Regardless, 1 lb. or 50 lbs. light very impressive run.
Maybe my wife was onto something when she asked, why do you spend all that money making your car fast? There will always be someone faster than you!

Chad Loge
7355 b/sa
Brentwood CA

junior barns · 05-09-2009, 09:49 PM

Maybe my wife was onto something when she asked, why do you spend all that money making your car fast? There will always be someone faster than you!

Chad Loge
7355 b/sa
Brentwood CA

Perfect ending to your post!!! As fast as the brothers go, they will not hold a candle to the cobra jets

ps not trying to change focus here just stating my opinion and although i have enjoyed this thread I'm done with it

Thanks all!!!

Steve Hagberg · 05-13-2009, 10:14 AM

First of all, I'd like to say that this is not the NHRA official site for making determinations of legality in cases like this. Just because all the information regarding what happended hasn't been posted here doesn't mean that it hasn't been communicated to Div. 6 and Glendora. I have heard from a reliable source that this issue will be discussed this Friday, probably in Bristol, by NHRA tech, and a decision will be made. After that, I will post what I know in talking with a witness who saw the entire thing, from start to finish so that you can draw your own conclusions as to how this has been handled. By the way, I know the Sorenson's and think they are very smart and capable racers. If when all the story has been told here, I would encourage bsa633 to respond and correct any bad information. Let's let the process proceed for now. And by the way, I agree with Charlie Ford that rules enforcement and consistency is critical to making this whole thing work for everyone.

herbjr · 05-10-2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy Gaynor

I also think it is funny to compare this to the Henson/Libby scandals. They drove past the scales and last time I checked it has a lot of detail on bypassing the scales in the rulebook. Even if the water Scandal of 2009 happened I still can't find anything on it in the rulebook.
Tommy Gaynor
A real racer with a real name that was there!

Henson lost on his run, he went red, why would he scale. Do you scale when you lose? Just curious.

Herb Jr

Tommy Gaynor · 05-10-2009, 11:19 AM

Chad, I still what to know who saw what? Still rumors till someone has the stones to put there name to it!

Herb, I never knew Henson's was a loss. I would not have scaled either. Libby's bypass was on a time shot, I only come up with one reason for that.

Tommy Gaynor

Ryan Horensky · 05-10-2009, 12:11 PM

Ed,

My dad has raced at Numidia Dragway since 1971. There have never been wooden scales there. They were concrete in 1971 and also concrete in 1997 when I started driving. Actually we have adjusted our traction bars on the scale there because it is one of the most level places to do so. You must be thinking of another track.

Ryan Horensky
B/SA 1273

05-09-2009, 03:41 PM	#1
Tommy Gaynor Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 253 Likes: 2 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise I agree with GD! If your reliable sources had any nuts they would step up and say I saw "X"! Until someone has the stones to use your real name and say what you saw. It's just a bunch of rumors and lies. So come on bring it! Lets get the "Reliable Sources" off their ***'s and tells us what they saw, where he "Drained the water" and how light he was! If any of them took 7th grade physical science they would know the car could have not been that light even if water was drained! P.S. And yes Old Guy, Hal does build my engine but that has nothing to do with facts! Tommy Gaynor __________________ "Go With Confidence"

05-09-2009, 06:25 PM	#3
Tommy Gaynor Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 253 Likes: 2 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! Hal was 40lbs light! Check the scale log! 1 core radiator 1.5 gallons top end maybe 2 gallons. 24.5lbs far short of the 40lbs he was light. They screwed up moving weight in the pits get over and go work on your ****! I also think it is funny to compare this to the Henson/Libby scandals. They drove past the scales and last time I checked it has a lot of detail on bypassing the scales in the rulebook. Even if the water Scandal of 2009 happened I still can't find anything on it in the rulebook. What page is it on Old Guy? Oh yeah and how are Sherlock Holmes and the boys you had at the scale coming with the info? I gave you the easy one he was 40lbs light! If they saw it where was he at? I gotta hear this one. Tommy Gaynor A real racer with a real name that was there! __________________ "Go With Confidence"

05-09-2009, 07:52 PM	#4
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise This subject is a prime example why S/SS is in decline.!lb 50lbs it doesn't matter.The guy was tempting fate when he ran the 1.40 under.A guy with Sorensens experience doesn't make a 40 lb mistake.That's a big weight swing.The point is what consequences you face depends on WHO you are and where you are.And of course "my friend" would never do anything wrong,he works hard on his combination. In the end this board is a place to pass time and just raise controversy.It also is,when used correctly a great place to get information. Ed F. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

05-09-2009, 09:33 PM	#5
Jamie Loge Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise Tommy, Come on!!! While I appreciate your loyalty to your engine builder, it does not do any good to try and defend a blatant wrong doing. As was my thought on the previous incident that was somewhat similar last year at Sanoma by a different racer, Good for them, they pulled a fast one and got away with it. Both cars can and sometimes do run in my same class and yes it drives me nuts knowing that the last time I got hit HP, one of my tallies was a complete "ACCIDENT" simply because I just did not think the car would go that fast. Maybe I am stupid, but when I got my time slip the thought of losing weight before the scales somehow never crossed my mind. From what I read, it looks as if your saying they would have been light regardless of "WATER DRAINING." If so, why would they bother going through the trouble? Seems to me when they went up to make the pass they had every intention of making a legit run to set the record and "ACCIDENTALLY" went to fast and then proceeded to alter weight before the scales to make sure they would be light. I am pretty sure that just shouldn't be done. Just so happens that the scales were fluctuating to make it seem they were lighter than they really were. I have heard numbers of 15 to 20 lbs. in fluctuation in the scales which would make them only 20 to 25 lbs. light. What were those numbers you were figuring in your previous posts? 28.5 lbs. They got lucky and good for them. Now on to another thought, the Sorensen brothers are very intelligent, there is no doubt about that. Every thing they have ever had has been fast, real fast. But obviously that combo needs hp if they are legit. I would like to think that when it comes to my combo I have come pretty close to max on potential. I have all the good parts and the right guy building the engine. If that said right guy were to have my car he may be able to squeeze another seven hundredths to a tenth out of my car max. By what I can figure, Sorensen would have had me covered by about four tenths. So if said guy had my car he would have it covered by three tenths. He could take the hp and still have me covered by at least two tenths. That really erks me when I got hit six hp last year because I made two runs just barely over -1.15 under and I can get outrun by four tenths. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some left to boot. I was always curious how fast that car really was and now I guess I know. Or do I? Regardless, 1 lb. or 50 lbs. light very impressive run. Maybe my wife was onto something when she asked, why do you spend all that money making your car fast? There will always be someone faster than you! Chad Loge 7355 b/sa Brentwood CA

05-09-2009, 09:49 PM	#6
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise Maybe my wife was onto something when she asked, why do you spend all that money making your car fast? There will always be someone faster than you! Chad Loge 7355 b/sa Brentwood CA Perfect ending to your post!!! As fast as the brothers go, they will not hold a candle to the cobra jets ps not trying to change focus here just stating my opinion and although i have enjoyed this thread I'm done with it Thanks all!!!

05-13-2009, 10:14 AM	#7
Steve Hagberg Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise First of all, I'd like to say that this is not the NHRA official site for making determinations of legality in cases like this. Just because all the information regarding what happended hasn't been posted here doesn't mean that it hasn't been communicated to Div. 6 and Glendora. I have heard from a reliable source that this issue will be discussed this Friday, probably in Bristol, by NHRA tech, and a decision will be made. After that, I will post what I know in talking with a witness who saw the entire thing, from start to finish so that you can draw your own conclusions as to how this has been handled. By the way, I know the Sorenson's and think they are very smart and capable racers. If when all the story has been told here, I would encourage bsa633 to respond and correct any bad information. Let's let the process proceed for now. And by the way, I agree with Charlie Ford that rules enforcement and consistency is critical to making this whole thing work for everyone. Last edited by Steve Hagberg; 05-13-2009 at 11:36 AM. Reason: spelling error

05-10-2009, 11:19 AM	#9
Tommy Gaynor Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vancouver WA Posts: 253 Likes: 2 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise Chad, I still what to know who saw what? Still rumors till someone has the stones to put there name to it! Herb, I never knew Henson's was a loss. I would not have scaled either. Libby's bypass was on a time shot, I only come up with one reason for that. Tommy Gaynor __________________ "Go With Confidence"

05-10-2009, 12:11 PM	#10
Ryan Horensky Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sugarloaf,PA Posts: 201 Likes: 19 Liked 109 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Sorenson 1.408 under at Boise Ed, My dad has raced at Numidia Dragway since 1971. There have never been wooden scales there. They were concrete in 1971 and also concrete in 1997 when I started driving. Actually we have adjusted our traction bars on the scale there because it is one of the most level places to do so. You must be thinking of another track. Ryan Horensky B/SA 1273

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