Fred Henson vs. Sorenson

junior barns · 05-04-2009, 11:37 PM

Sorry I just c&p'd but I did pass 4th grade the 2nd try

No calling crap as I was'nt there This is why I use the word (if) in alot of my statements!

ps if you was (oops) were talking to me!

Ed Fernandez · 05-04-2009, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior barns

Sorry I just c&p'd but I did pass 4th grade the 2nd try

No calling crap as I was'nt there This is why I use the word (if) in alot of my statements!

ps if you was (oops) were talking to me!

I is a high skool graduat.

Ed

Dan Fletcher · 05-05-2009, 06:36 AM

I don't have any opinions...I wasn't there and its none of my business...

What I can offer to the discussion is that in Comp, when one hits their index permanent - win or lose - one gets weighed, fuel checked, and pumped.

A permanent and immediate HP hit in Stock or SS would seem, at least to me, to be the same thing as a permanent index adjustment in Comp. Therefore, simple Vulcan logic would dictate...

I will add that I cannot find anything in the rulebook that states one can't bail weight out before the scales. That said, I don't see where it says one can't add weight either. It just says "under no circumstances may a competitor reject scaling his or her vehicle or fuel check."

Jack Matyas · 05-05-2009, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fletcher

I don't have any opinions...I wasn't there and its none of my business...

What I can offer to the discussion is that in Comp, when one hits their index permanent - win or lose - one gets weighed, fuel checked, and pumped.

A permanent and immediate HP hit in Stock or SS would seem, at least to me, to be the same thing as a permanent index adjustment in Comp. Therefore, simple Vulcan logic would dictate...

I will add that I cannot find anything in the rulebook that states one can't bail weight out before the scales. That said, I don't see where it says one can't add weight either. It just says "under no circumstances may a competitor reject scaling his or her vehicle or fuel check."

Dan -- You make some valid points except your last paragraph -- forget the Rulebook -- simple logic takes over -- if you and I run heads-up is it okay for me to add 300 lbs.before I get on the scales ? I think not ........That said its not OK to take weight out either -- you should scale at the weight you went down the track with . Anything else is not in the spirit of the rules ...............

James Perrone · 05-05-2009, 07:02 AM

Trust me
Dan Knows DRAG RACING!

herbjr · 05-05-2009, 07:08 AM

I dont care one way or another as I dont run this combo. But you guys now wonder why NHRA and IHRA love the 90 classes and Top Dragster/Top Sportsman. As a former track operator I can tell you this is nothing but fuel on a candle. Why have a fire when we can burn a candle. Think about that one. I know you guys are pissed, BUT NOONE HAS OFFICIALLY SAID IF HE DRAINED THE WATER TO BE LIGHT OR NOT.

Dan I know of a past comp world champ and current engine builder that would put his driving suit in the tow vehicle and drain the water to keep from getting a perm. hit years ago. This is nothing new it just got attention now.

Herb Jr

fredjohnston · 05-05-2009, 07:16 AM

Why do racers put themselves in these situations and force NHRA to make tough/unpopular decisions?

If racers just follow the rules and normal procedures they have done for years, then they wouldn't find themselves in these situations.

If he did infact drain the radiator, this is not the "normal" procedures and it was done to avoid HP. This is going to force NHRA to come up with another rule and/or make an unpopular decision. But who forced NHRA to do this?????

Dan Fletcher · 05-05-2009, 07:30 AM

Jack,

obviously, one isn't allowed to alter the weight of the vehicle - either way - prior to scaling. I'm simply stating that the rulebook doesn't call out that point. I know how to put a seatbelt on, too, but the airline still tells me every time...

Two good points were then made. Pare is right, we need a rulebook that stipulates every possible situation, because if someone thinks they can get over on the system, they'll try. And Herb is right, that's why NHRA will eventually tire of our bull**** and just run .90 and Top whatever...

George Fitzpatrick · 05-05-2009, 08:10 AM

"Vulcan logic" Dan now that's funny.

Robert Pare Racing · 05-05-2009, 07:06 AM

I also have no business in commenting on the topic, but I wanted to add my opinion regarding the end of Dan's post..

NHRA's rulebook is in need of a serious facelift. In 2009, it should reflect the sign of the times, including the mighty advancements made by all competitors in Drag Racing today. An example of a well written and thorough rulebook would be the current USGA rulebook for Golf. It covers every angle imaginable to create the most fair and level playing field possible. It does not, however, include crude sketches of valve grind details and driver harnesses from 1968, or whenever that was first done.

It would be nice to see a completely new "book" from NHRA. There are too many gray areas that result in situations where no one is a winner.

05-04-2009, 11:37 PM	#1
junior barns Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 541 Likes: 11 Liked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson Sorry I just c&p'd but I did pass 4th grade the 2nd try No calling crap as I was'nt there This is why I use the word (if) in alot of my statements! ps if you was (oops) were talking to me!

05-05-2009, 06:36 AM	#3
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 491 Likes: 128 Liked 1,040 Times in 69 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson I don't have any opinions...I wasn't there and its none of my business... What I can offer to the discussion is that in Comp, when one hits their index permanent - win or lose - one gets weighed, fuel checked, and pumped. A permanent and immediate HP hit in Stock or SS would seem, at least to me, to be the same thing as a permanent index adjustment in Comp. Therefore, simple Vulcan logic would dictate... I will add that I cannot find anything in the rulebook that states one can't bail weight out before the scales. That said, I don't see where it says one can't add weight either. It just says "under no circumstances may a competitor reject scaling his or her vehicle or fuel check." __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

05-05-2009, 07:02 AM	#5
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,669 Likes: 3,359 Liked 1,804 Times in 422 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson Trust me Dan Knows DRAG RACING! __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

05-05-2009, 07:08 AM	#6
herbjr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 1,027 Likes: 1 Liked 83 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson I dont care one way or another as I dont run this combo. But you guys now wonder why NHRA and IHRA love the 90 classes and Top Dragster/Top Sportsman. As a former track operator I can tell you this is nothing but fuel on a candle. Why have a fire when we can burn a candle. Think about that one. I know you guys are pissed, BUT NOONE HAS OFFICIALLY SAID IF HE DRAINED THE WATER TO BE LIGHT OR NOT. Dan I know of a past comp world champ and current engine builder that would put his driving suit in the tow vehicle and drain the water to keep from getting a perm. hit years ago. This is nothing new it just got attention now. Herb Jr

05-05-2009, 07:16 AM	#7
fredjohnston Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 341 Likes: 0 Liked 55 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson Why do racers put themselves in these situations and force NHRA to make tough/unpopular decisions? If racers just follow the rules and normal procedures they have done for years, then they wouldn't find themselves in these situations. If he did infact drain the radiator, this is not the "normal" procedures and it was done to avoid HP. This is going to force NHRA to come up with another rule and/or make an unpopular decision. But who forced NHRA to do this?????

05-05-2009, 07:30 AM	#8
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 491 Likes: 128 Liked 1,040 Times in 69 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson Jack, obviously, one isn't allowed to alter the weight of the vehicle - either way - prior to scaling. I'm simply stating that the rulebook doesn't call out that point. I know how to put a seatbelt on, too, but the airline still tells me every time... Two good points were then made. Pare is right, we need a rulebook that stipulates every possible situation, because if someone thinks they can get over on the system, they'll try. And Herb is right, that's why NHRA will eventually tire of our bull** and just run .90 and Top whatever... __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES**

05-05-2009, 08:10 AM	#9
George Fitzpatrick Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Babylon, NY Posts: 344 Likes: 118 Liked 94 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson "Vulcan logic" Dan now that's funny. __________________ George Fitzpatrick 426 HEMI STK, SS

05-05-2009, 07:06 AM	#10
Robert Pare Racing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mother Earth Posts: 265 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Fred Henson vs. Sorenson I also have no business in commenting on the topic, but I wanted to add my opinion regarding the end of Dan's post.. NHRA's rulebook is in need of a serious facelift. In 2009, it should reflect the sign of the times, including the mighty advancements made by all competitors in Drag Racing today. An example of a well written and thorough rulebook would be the current USGA rulebook for Golf. It covers every angle imaginable to create the most fair and level playing field possible. It does not, however, include crude sketches of valve grind details and driver harnesses from 1968, or whenever that was first done. It would be nice to see a completely new "book" from NHRA. There are too many gray areas that result in situations where no one is a winner. __________________ Rapare-Racing.com

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