"WHAT IF" part 4

[Ed Fernandez]

So Terry,where do you draw the line between raceable and slow? 14 sec,13 sec,12 sec 11.50 sec??????????

Ed F.
Mid 13s,but alot more
under my index than alot
of "fast" cars.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

So Terry,where do you draw the line between raceable and slow? 14 sec,13 sec,12 sec 11.50 sec??????????

Ed F.
Mid 13s,but alot more
under my index than alot
of "fast" cars.

15 to 15.75 or so. There are some really cool stuff that runs U and V. I used to love (still do) the old Oldsmobiles like the ones that Jack Mullin's and Racing Head Service (Ivars Smeltniks) ran. Tom Goulds Corvair is an icon and he can still kick butt at his age. I hope to have his health when I get there. Im partial because Ive done his heads (for free) since the middle/late 70's and they have ALWAYS passed NHRA and IHRA tech. I did Bill Drevo's Citation X-11 (front wheel drive by the way) heads (in the stone age-early eighties) when he set the NHRA record at Rockingham years ago so YES I like the slower cars also. I also think Clayton Wrights U/SA wagon is one sweet ride and have thought about a 60 Chebbie wagon like Captian Jacks for myself now that the 3 speed is legal but that is a lot of weight to haul to the track. Think what you want about me but I like ALL stockers and most S/S cars. I remember when being a member of "The SLUG ARMY" was a badge to be worn proudly and not a put down as some seem to think.. I guess that was before your time and several others on here.

[art leong]

Dick where were"YOU in the late 70'S????????
Do you realize there were 50 stock classes then????????
It's more than the normal munber of fingers and toes, BUT there are 51 stock classes today. Only because of the AA/stock cars.
They were the last ones in so why not be the first ones out. LOL
A net gain of "1" for 30 years.
So whats your point
Terry I wish I could belive what you say is what you think. But at 15.75 only one class (Steve Polhills)would really be affected. If that is truly your goal why not leave things as they are?
One class isn't going to turn the "masses" away.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by art leong

Dick where were"YOU in the late 70'S????????
Do you realize there were 50 stock classes then????????
It's more than the normal munber of fingers and toes, BUT there are 51 stock classes today
A net gain of "1" for 30 years.
So whats your point
Terry I wish I could belive what you say is what you think. But at 15.75 only one class (Steve Polhills)would really be affected. If that is truly your goal why not leave things as they are?
One class isn't going to turn the "masses" away.

Again....I NEVER said anything would be changed. I threw out suggestions, ideas, etc. I remember saying we were not going to "Reinvent the Wheel" about a zillion posts back but some of you want to make a debate about ANYTHING I say on here. Give it a rest already. Id be more worried about NHRA doing away with classes that are less popular (car count) than anything I ever said. If the economy was not what it was/is (poor) they had every intention of dropping seperate FWD classes THIS year (believe it or not-I dont care but it was talked about) and putting them into RWD classes. Even Im not that stupid to think they could run with that deal.

[art leong]

And personally I think there is quite a bit of fan appeal. When a car like mine runs a SS/AM car and gets a 5 second head start. There is a lot of anticipation as the SS/AM is going 65 mph faster than me at the stripe.
In my view that is good racing.
I only wish nhra would run qualifying off the index. That would give people a reason to watch stock and super stock.

[art leong]

Terry as far as the getting rid of fwd cars goes. I'll file that rumor right next to the cylinder head runner volume debacle.
It seems like much ado about nothing We are well in to the season now and nothing has really changed.
My head is about 20 cc's larger than a stock head. Imagine if they were to use mine as a guide. LOL

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by art leong

And personally I think there is quite a bit of fan appeal. When a car like mine runs a SS/AM car and gets a 5 second head start. There is a lot of anticipation as the SS/AM is going 65 mph faster than me at the stripe.
In my view that is good racing.
I only wish nhra would run qualifying off the index. That would give people a reason to watch stock and super stock.

Thanks for bringing that up, Art. That was going to be in my next post.

I would hope a new association would be better at promoting fast vs slower, handicap racing.
First thing you do is run time trials off the index with a staggered head start. It takes no longer for both cars to complete the quarter mile. What it does, is give spectators and racers alike, a preview of what our actual races look like. Plus ,it's good practice for the racers.
There is nothing so boring ,even for me, as two days of time trials , waiting for the lower class car to complete his run. Imagine what the casual spectator thinks.
Now, watch what happens during actual eliminations with the big head starts. Half the spectators stand up and cheer for the slower, underdog car, and the other half cheers for the come from behind rocketship A or B car.
It's all in the presentation, and the capability of the announcer at hand.

FWD cars- This calls for a different post. Still working on that.

[Dick Butler]

Art, Not to drag this out but did you answer my question?
If you had a choice in a drag racing organization of qualifying at NHRA or IHRA meet and earning nothing or possibly racing for $!000 every time you raced which would you chose?

This is not about doing away with anyone, any car or transmission. I understood it to be about doing something which could HELP Drag racing,in general. Maybe help get sponsors? maybe get people to watch and get sponsors to notice Stk or SS as a place to PAY money for winning or sponsoring.

The Date of the racing isnt at issue only the numbers of classes.( which affects the above)

[art leong]

Dick if what you are saying is true.
Then Top Stock should be equal to or better than building a better mousetrap.
"Your" opinion is there are to many classes. But you know what they say about opinions.
Have you ever thought about the possibility that a manufacturer would rather be able to sell his wares to a larger segment of cars, rather than just a few?
As far as money is concerned sure I'd like more of it. BUT If I had to spend $15,000 to make $1000 you can keep it
How about you build a Prostocker they will pay you $1500 get to qualify. And no Challengers or blown Mustangs

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

15 to 15.75 or so. There are some really cool stuff that runs U and V. I used to love (still do) the old Oldsmobiles like the ones that Jack Mullin's and Racing Head Service (Ivars Smeltniks) ran. Tom Goulds Corvair is an icon and he can still kick butt at his age. I hope to have his health when I get there. Im partial because Ive done his heads (for free) since the middle/late 70's and they have ALWAYS passed NHRA and IHRA tech. I did Bill Drevo's Citation X-11 (front wheel drive by the way) heads (in the stone age-early eighties) when he set the NHRA record at Rockingham years ago so YES I like the slower cars also. I also think Clayton Wrights U/SA wagon is one sweet ride and have thought about a 60 Chebbie wagon like Captian Jacks for myself now that the 3 speed is legal but that is a lot of weight to haul to the track. Think what you want about me but I like ALL stockers and most S/S cars. I remember when being a member of "The SLUG ARMY" was a badge to be worn proudly and not a put down as some seem to think.. I guess that was before your time and several others on here.

Terry,

Now that I read this post of yours, I'll cut you some slack on your other thoughts, and I'm glad that you help Bill Drevo's Citation be the record holder/divisional race winner it was. However, I still feel that fans love us too...not all of them are nitro injected!!!