Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout?

Larry Sullivan · 03-13-2009, 10:12 PM

Nope - the heads-up rules only apply when the cars are the same class - I just forgot to have the software check the classes when flagging the breakouts.

The ND article may have referred to the start as "heads-up," but the breakout rules would still apply in that situation and even my flawed software would have produced the correct answer in that case.

The changes I just made will still flag the result as a breakout if the loser runs under his dial-in, even if both drivers have the same dial-in, as long as they are in different classes.

bill dedman · 03-14-2009, 01:08 AM

JUST FOR THE RECORD (I want to make sure ~I~ have this straight!)

A/SA car dials 10.50
B/SA car also dials 10.50

Identical reaction time, not that it matters (it doesn't)

A/SA car runs 10.4999 breaking out while
B/SA car runs 10.5001 winning the race, because he didn't break out

Is that correct, and if it IS, shouldn't it be pointed out that, although the two cars are leaving the starting line at the exact same time, it's NOT REALLY a "heads-up race" because it's a possible breakout situation??? (Traditionally, in a "heads-up" race, the first car to the finish line ALWAYS wins, barring other infractions.)

TOM KASCH · 03-14-2009, 07:51 AM

Bill,
you got it right !

Larry Sullivan · 03-14-2009, 10:56 AM

Bill - you are correct - it's a "heads-up start" (both get the green at the same time) but not a "heads-up race" (breakout rules still apply). Otherwise, the quicker car would just match the slower car's dial and win every time.

John Lang · 03-15-2009, 05:53 PM

Maybe I should have given it more thought, before i posted the original question,because i was confused!Anyways, thanks for the corretions, now i know!........Later......John !

bill dedman · 03-15-2009, 06:35 PM

Thanks for the good info, guys.

Is it just me (old age), or is this stuff more complicated than it was back when we used flagmen to start races???? LOL!!!

Bill

Larry Sullivan · 03-15-2009, 09:08 PM

I could have taken my time - all the heads-up races in the Gainesville ND Stock results were decided on red lights and there weren't any in SS. Oh, well, it's fixed.

Kile · 03-15-2009, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Sullivan

Nope - the heads-up rules only apply when the cars are the same class - I just forgot to have the software check the classes when flagging the breakouts.

Larry,
Also thanks for correcting the COMP results and those double break out wins!

03-13-2009, 10:12 PM	#1
Larry Sullivan Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 340 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout? Nope - the heads-up rules only apply when the cars are the same class - I just forgot to have the software check the classes when flagging the breakouts. The ND article may have referred to the start as "heads-up," but the breakout rules would still apply in that situation and even my flawed software would have produced the correct answer in that case. The changes I just made will still flag the result as a breakout if the loser runs under his dial-in, even if both drivers have the same dial-in, as long as they are in different classes.

03-14-2009, 01:08 AM	#2
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout? JUST FOR THE RECORD (I want to make sure ~I~ have this straight!) A/SA car dials 10.50 B/SA car also dials 10.50 Identical reaction time, not that it matters (it doesn't) A/SA car runs 10.4999 breaking out while B/SA car runs 10.5001 winning the race, because he didn't break out Is that correct, and if it IS, shouldn't it be pointed out that, although the two cars are leaving the starting line at the exact same time, it's NOT REALLY a "heads-up race" because it's a possible breakout situation??? (Traditionally, in a "heads-up" race, the first car to the finish line ALWAYS wins, barring other infractions.) __________________ Bill

03-14-2009, 07:51 AM	#3
TOM KASCH VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TOLEDO,OHIO Posts: 1,735 Likes: 0 Liked 241 Times in 100 Posts	Re: Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout? Bill, you got it right !

03-14-2009, 10:56 AM	#4
Larry Sullivan Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 340 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout? Bill - you are correct - it's a "heads-up start" (both get the green at the same time) but not a "heads-up race" (breakout rules still apply). Otherwise, the quicker car would just match the slower car's dial and win every time.

03-15-2009, 05:53 PM	#5
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout? Maybe I should have given it more thought, before i posted the original question,because i was confused!Anyways, thanks for the corretions, now i know!........Later......John ! __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

03-15-2009, 06:35 PM	#6
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout? Thanks for the good info, guys. Is it just me (old age), or is this stuff more complicated than it was back when we used flagmen to start races???? LOL!!! Bill __________________ Bill

03-15-2009, 09:08 PM	#7
Larry Sullivan Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 340 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Headsup Stk Elim Round Breakout? I could have taken my time - all the heads-up races in the Gainesville ND Stock results were decided on red lights and there weren't any in SS. Oh, well, it's fixed.

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