ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers - Page 10

Tony Janes · 06-02-2008, 11:30 AM

Sean: The price of fuel is going to have more effect on racing than 2 tenths off the indexes.

Bruce: I do not care how fast anyone goes as long as they do not try to make policy that allows them to go faster by changing AHFS. Whats on the table in this thread is a trade of 2 tenths off the indexes for returning to 1.499 under for instant hp, which NHRA took away a few years back. I do not care if it were 2 seconds under, as long as there is not a trade.

55 Chevy · 06-02-2008, 12:38 PM

Lowering the indexes is not the answer to the problem of sandbagging by the quicker cars. It will only delay the fast guys a short period until they are at the trigger again. Pretty sad this is not as obvious to many as it is too me. Also pretty obvious to me that politics is at work here big time. Reminds me of the time years ago that NHRA got tired of catching cheaters with regards to cylinder heads in S/S & basically let them do what they had been doing illegally for years.
And by far the worst thing. The people running real quick know that lowering the indexes is not the answer to their problem yet are trying to push everyone else into thinking so.

Allan

Bruce Noland · 06-02-2008, 01:56 PM

Billy,
You don't see any broad strokes in your previous post about the "a**holes running MY sport"??? Read your post again.

Sure, with all that Pa. farmland to sell you could go fast, but you choose not to. That's your business and that is what I stated. But you don't have a leg to stand on when you come out here and hammer the A**holes for running YOUR sport when you know darn well that the club you complain about could not surive without them. Then of course you don't want to take on the bogus engine builders - you give them a pass, cuz they have to eat too. You sell all of your valuable Pa. farm land and then buy all of drag racing and I'll call you the KING.

The ahfs and the indexes are linked together in a system - without one there is no use for the other. I think you know that.

Enough of this blather.

Tony,
We have beaten this old horse enough. I don't see the trade you are mentioning but it really makes no difference. Good luck.

Bart Kilraine · 06-02-2008, 02:31 PM

Index------11.70.........1.40 under = 10.30 New Index -----11.50......1.30 under = 10.20 it's FASTER !

Daran Summerton · 06-02-2008, 03:30 PM

Great post Billy! I believe if a car can run 1.40 under and PASS TEARDOWN it needs hp. Lowering the index does nothing. If today your -1.00 under next week your -.80 under how did that change anything?
The bottom end specs really helped and when the new cyl. head rule comes out I believe it will level things. Just a matter of adjusting the hp factors on cars that PASS inspection.

Little birdie told me 3 cc under current SS spec will be the new STK spec. No valves will be pulled. NO MORE $5,000 valve jobs will be needed...... Can I get a Amen?

Billy Nees · 06-02-2008, 05:18 PM

Ya know, the reason that you don't see me posting very often is that, in my opinion, it seems that the Internet has the incredible power to turn learned, civilized human beings into "blithering morons" in no time at all so I will not be responding to this thread after this. I've said my piece for what it's worth. Bruce, I will respectfully "agree to disagree" with you but not on this subject. I'll see you at Atco and I'll buy you a beer! (If you can "lower yourself to my level")

Greg Hill · 06-02-2008, 05:25 PM

All of you that have an interest here should contact your SRAC rep ASAP if you want to be heard. My e-mail is gph.hill@insightbb.com my cell phone is 502-426-7070.

Greg

Greg Hill · 06-02-2008, 05:26 PM

Sorry that's my home phone cell phone is 502-432-2546 either one is fine.

Greg

JIM BOUDREAU · 06-02-2008, 05:51 PM

Go get em Bruce! , they just d'ont understand the math and logic! It's sad!

Bruce Noland · 06-02-2008, 06:41 PM

Billy,
I believe you were the first person to come barging into this thread calling folks names like A**holes and making low brow remarks about how people run and finance their racing programs. And of course you don't have a clue as to how most of these folks put together their "bogus" programs - to use your word. I will accept your offer to not so respectfully disagree. I don't drink any form of booze but I'll have a cold soda with ya at Atco.

Most racers really don't care about this issue. Just a handful of racers have come out to vent.

06-02-2008, 11:30 AM	#91
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 86 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Sean: The price of fuel is going to have more effect on racing than 2 tenths off the indexes. Bruce: I do not care how fast anyone goes as long as they do not try to make policy that allows them to go faster by changing AHFS. Whats on the table in this thread is a trade of 2 tenths off the indexes for returning to 1.499 under for instant hp, which NHRA took away a few years back. I do not care if it were 2 seconds under, as long as there is not a trade. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

06-02-2008, 12:38 PM	#92
55 Chevy Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Calgary,Alberta area Posts: 228 Likes: 23 Liked 16 Times in 14 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Lowering the indexes is not the answer to the problem of sandbagging by the quicker cars. It will only delay the fast guys a short period until they are at the trigger again. Pretty sad this is not as obvious to many as it is too me. Also pretty obvious to me that politics is at work here big time. Reminds me of the time years ago that NHRA got tired of catching cheaters with regards to cylinder heads in S/S & basically let them do what they had been doing illegally for years. And by far the worst thing. The people running real quick know that lowering the indexes is not the answer to their problem yet are trying to push everyone else into thinking so. Allan

06-02-2008, 01:56 PM	#93
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Billy, You don't see any broad strokes in your previous post about the "aholes running MY sport"??? Read your post again. Sure, with all that Pa. farmland to sell you could go fast, but you choose not to. That's your business and that is what I stated. But you don't have a leg to stand on when you come out here and hammer the Aholes for running YOUR sport when you know darn well that the club you complain about could not surive without them. Then of course you don't want to take on the bogus engine builders - you give them a pass, cuz they have to eat too. You sell all of your valuable Pa. farm land and then buy all of drag racing and I'll call you the KING. The ahfs and the indexes are linked together in a system - without one there is no use for the other. I think you know that. Enough of this blather. Tony, We have beaten this old horse enough. I don't see the trade you are mentioning but it really makes no difference. Good luck. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

06-02-2008, 02:31 PM	#94
Bart Kilraine Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Carrolltown,PA Posts: 118 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Index------11.70.........1.40 under = 10.30 New Index -----11.50......1.30 under = 10.20 it's FASTER !

06-02-2008, 03:30 PM	#95
Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 600 Likes: 18 Liked 66 Times in 37 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Great post Billy! I believe if a car can run 1.40 under and PASS TEARDOWN it needs hp. Lowering the index does nothing. If today your -1.00 under next week your -.80 under how did that change anything? The bottom end specs really helped and when the new cyl. head rule comes out I believe it will level things. Just a matter of adjusting the hp factors on cars that PASS inspection. Little birdie told me 3 cc under current SS spec will be the new STK spec. No valves will be pulled. NO MORE $5,000 valve jobs will be needed...... Can I get a Amen?

06-02-2008, 05:18 PM	#96
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Ya know, the reason that you don't see me posting very often is that, in my opinion, it seems that the Internet has the incredible power to turn learned, civilized human beings into "blithering morons" in no time at all so I will not be responding to this thread after this. I've said my piece for what it's worth. Bruce, I will respectfully "agree to disagree" with you but not on this subject. I'll see you at Atco and I'll buy you a beer! (If you can "lower yourself to my level") __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

06-02-2008, 05:25 PM	#97
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers All of you that have an interest here should contact your SRAC rep ASAP if you want to be heard. My e-mail is gph.hill@insightbb.com my cell phone is 502-426-7070. Greg

06-02-2008, 05:26 PM	#98
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 68 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Sorry that's my home phone cell phone is 502-432-2546 either one is fine. Greg

06-02-2008, 05:51 PM	#99
JIM BOUDREAU Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Go get em Bruce! , they just d'ont understand the math and logic! It's sad!

06-02-2008, 06:41 PM	#100
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: ATTN Sportsman Council Members and Racers Billy, I believe you were the first person to come barging into this thread calling folks names like A*holes and making low brow remarks about how people run and finance their racing programs. And of course you don't have a clue as to how most of these folks put together their "bogus" programs - to use your word. I will accept your offer to not so respectfully disagree. I don't drink any form of booze but I'll have a cold soda with ya at Atco. Most racers really don't care about this issue. Just a handful of racers have come out to vent. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 06-02-2008 at 09:34 PM.*