HP on Monday?

[Stan Weiss]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

I do not like the idea of lowering the indexes

When I came back to racing Stock (Bad accident / Boat racing)
in early 90's, It was several years before I could run 3 tenths under.

If the index was 3 tenths faster, we would have quit as we would not
have had the budget or knowledge back then to compete. I am sure we are not
the only ones who took a couple of years to learn the ropes.

Even now a number of cars including one of mine would have had
to been parked a couple years ago if the indexes were faster.


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I am an outsider, and have no skin in the game.


RAISE the indexes 2 or 3 tenths and then let the AHPS do the rest.


Stan

[Rick J]

The index system had been in place since the mid 70's, and there's been about a half second reduction in index in the 50 years since.

If you can't pick up a hundredth per year over the last half century, you either can't do the engine work yourself to keep up, or are too cheap to write the check for one, maybe the easy way out (bracket racing) is for you.

[SDmopar]

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Originally Posted by SDmopar

How does bringing the HP back to the original advertised fix this? There are some combos that are rated 40+ hp above the advertised rating that still run 1 second under, and there are others 10hp less than than their rating that can't run a second under. You would have a full 1.0 swing putting these back.

Lowering the indexes would only help the fast combos. A 1.3 under combo like the 255hp 350 would now be a 1.0 under combo, and other combos that are .9 under combos would be now .6 under.
An award for a fast combo to not have to trigger the afhs, but no way for a slower combo to ever have a chance.

It's a complicated process, and 1 solution doesn't fix it.

My point I?m eluding to is the AHFS works well and is a simple consistent protocol to help create parity. If all combos were reset to original they would all have a chance to be judged by a non biased consistent system. The current flaw is that the Combos overly corrected by the previous ways have no way of getting reduced. The simple fix would be to correct the bottom. I feel the best way to do this would be.


Reductions must be formally submitted.

To be considered, the following benchmarks must be met:

No more than 2 runs of -1.0 second under in a season.

Cannot have received HP additions in the last 3 years.

At least 20 runs per season for the last 2 seasons.

Total average of combination under -.65 for the season.

Reduction percentages:

Average of -.65 to -.55: 2% reduction.

Average of -.54 and under: 3% reduction.

It should not be easy to get HP off. But the separation in the top 2 cars of every combo in each class show you there is a massive discrepancy in ratings. It?s a performance class and we all want to race heads up. The simple fact is that the bottom 80% in each combination will not be competitive nor should they against the top.

I feel sticks and autos should be combined. Average the HP if there is a difference. Less classes and more heads up races with get the parity thing fixed real fast.

[Bobby Fazio]

Lower all the auto indexes to match the stick indexes. Long overdue.

[Bobby Lundholm]

Who are we saving these cars and combos for? Everyone talks about having to save their combo and protecting it.....for what? for who? Like it or not we don't have the longest fuse left on our class, and the more we bitch and complain to NHRA the shorter it gets. They have cut our fields in half, don't do tech anymore, and what's next inviting us not to show up anymore?
This agreeing to let off with another racer in a heads up race to "save" their combo is absurd. Run the cars like they are supposed to run and if you get hp good for you, you did something right to make your car fast.

[Rick J]

Originally Posted by Bobby Lundholm

Who are we saving these cars and combos for? Everyone talks about having to save their combo and protecting it.....for what? for who? Like it or not we don't have the longest fuse left on our class, and the more we bitch and complain to NHRA the shorter it gets. They have cut our fields in half, don't do tech anymore, and what's next inviting us not to show up anymore?
This agreeing to let off with another racer in a heads up race to "save" their combo is absurd. Run the cars like they are supposed to run and if you get hp good for you, you did something right to make your car fast.

An index at 330ft., 660ft., 1000ft., 1320ft. takes care of that.

[JP1738]

I kinda like the idea of resetting all the factored HP and leaving AHFS in place. For a year or so, utter chaos, but after that, combos will be back in line again so long as AHFS is enforced and taken seriously. Maybe we look at it where we reset it every 10 years or so. I think that'd be pretty cool. I would suddenly be able to set the world on fire as I'd get 52 hp back overnight. I and my fellow 305 Malibu compatriots would inevitably beat the hp rating back up to where it is now or maybe a little lower. But this would solve all of the issues with combos that have been factored to death and killed off. Imagine if you could press reset and bring all of those classics back and let AHFS bring parity back over a short period (1-2 years).

Just a thought. We may even get a look at this with the new IHRA. If they start from scratch as far as factored hp is concerned with an AHFS system or similar, it'd be absolutely insane for about 6 months until everybody beats the hp up and complete parity is restored reviving older combos. We could see a real renaissance.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

Lower all the auto indexes to match the stick indexes. Long overdue.

Perhaps you're not aware that some already exist - all F/S classes are alike .Doesn't sound like much but this is in Stock , S/S , SS/GT .Turns out that is a lot of classes .

[Larry Hill]

MR TILBURG

First of all let me thank you for all of the motivation you have provided me with all the years we were trying to play catch up to your engine customers. You produce a fine quality product with product support, we were in the Barn together at Indy one year.

My job is to win the war, If I have to loose a battel to give me a better chance at winning the war I will take the set back.
I love heads up races it give my opponent and my self an opportunity to screw up royally. I like being the slower car. Most times the faster car will be a tad late at the start.

How ever the rules package is I will race with it.

[j gardiner]

It wouldn?t make sense to go back to the original hp ratings. There is already been 50+ years of evolution. Why would we go backwards to end back up at the same point again.