BIG $$$ Race - Page 2

Mike Gray · 12-19-2022, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

They both pay money to race.
They both put a number on the car.
They both go down the track.
How are they different.

Win $50,000
R/U $20,000
Semi $7,500
1/4 $4,000
7th Rd $2,500
6th Rd $2,000
5th Rd $1,500
4th Rd $1,000
3rd Rd $500

Entry $999. 3 days @ $50,000 + $20,000 warm up race, that is 4 events per week

What does a National event that takes 4 days pay out? What is the entry fee?
Tell me again why it won't work for Stk SS.

Lack of grade points, maybe?

MR DERBY CITY · 12-19-2022, 11:48 AM

Don’t forget that a number of stock/superstock racers won’t race unless a Wally and National Ragster are involved …

Mark Yacavone · 12-19-2022, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Gray

Lack of grade points, maybe?

I believe that's part of it. Also, lack of Wallys.

My opinion is that, seeing we're involved in a highly specialized sub-culture, NHRA (and to a lesser degree, IHRA ) is the venue where most want to show off their performance in the form of qualifying, class wins, etc. The eliminator win is almost a secondary concern to many.
Therefore, big $$$ races are not as big of a draw as they are to bracket racers.
Some of my opinions are based on actually promoting S/SS combo races on a small scale.

Mike Pearson · 12-19-2022, 12:31 PM

I went to the big money race at SGMP. It was a great time. Anyone that didnt go missed a awesome event. Lots of good food and a big party one evening. The weather wasnt totally cooperative and they had to group two of the 20k races into one 40K race. That was the only hiccup. There was a some issues with the timing and ladder but that got resolved pretty quickly. They had about 160 cars there and I thought that they reached a break even point at near that number. I was hoping that there would be another one of those events this year. Bo returned to Pro Stock, Line retired from Pro Stock and I am not sure if Connley is still working for what was KB Racing. I know he has a shock business that he is operating. All of this might have had some effect on more events. I was surprised that more didnt show up with that amount of money on the line.

Mike McCandless · 12-19-2022, 12:31 PM

It's just math. The number of bracket cars far exceeds the number of s/ss cars out there. Difficult to race for big money, without huge entry fee's, if there aren't enough cars. Throw in all the obligations throughout the year, not sure where the masses of S/SS racers would have an open schedule and be willing to travel.

You could probably do something at a big money bracket race where the S/SS cars are kept separate and then the winner is put into the big race. This is done with footbrake cars at big money top races.

Just a thought.

Jim Wahl · 12-19-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by james schaechter

Simply because the majority of the class racers that whine about not having a big money race don’t show when there is one. When one comes up, the excuses start flying. They just don’t show.

Hello!! Ding-Ding!! We have a winner! Thank you James! Jim

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Roy Kinslow · 12-19-2022, 01:56 PM

They will let anyone with the money enter, if someone wants to race for big money. They separate bottom bulb racers. No reason a stock or super stock car wont be competitive, especially since it's all eighth mile. Might need a bigger radiator . Better be capable of excellent reaction times. Give it a shot, they will be glad to have you.

MR DERBY CITY · 12-19-2022, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Good question Ron! But, historically it never does work.

YO KEN , Kenny works his tail off ,plans the race, secures sponsor give away prizes,great payout, has the race at Numidia , and a very disappointing crowd shows up ….

Ron Ortiz · 12-19-2022, 03:06 PM

Seems to be a lot of different reasons, but am I missing something here.

NHRA $2,000 + contingencies to win. SFG. $50,000 to win
4 days = 1 race. 4 days = 4 races
No Buybacks. Buyback. I don't like buybacks either
If you're racing for $50K why not

Mike Pearson is right on.
Mike Gray lack of grade points. I know, I need at least 6 points to enter a race in my home state, so I have to travel to several states to get points.
442 OLDS with the talented drivers there, qualifying is of little importance, try surviving.
Roy Kinslow, great idea, could be easily done, need to get ahold of SFG to see. Motor Mania TV would be included.
Sure there are a lot of reasons, but if you look around drag racing is not as such a big deal as it was a decade ago. Atlanta, Houston, W Palm Bch are examples of what is happening. Soon, the people with their noses up in the air will only be remembering when they could.
But what do I know, I'm building a Stocker when tracks are closing, fuel is sky high, and the payouts are similar to 1990. As a side note, for the SFG races it appears you can win with a .030 light and be a hundred off. But there is a better chance of needing a double oh light and be dead on within 8. It's brutal out there, but you just need to beat the other person in the other lane.

ken robinson · 12-21-2022, 10:37 AM

One of the problems I have is with the disturbing trend of 1/8 & 1000 racing in the bracket racing world . It was all 1/4 mile racing growing up . Sorry I like 1/4 racing . What's fun about doing something half way ? The buy back was something you just live with . It's good seat time & you meet some new car people.

12-19-2022, 11:48 AM	#12
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,632 Likes: 1,081 Liked 7,917 Times in 1,515 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race Don’t forget that a number of stock/superstock racers won’t race unless a Wally and National Ragster are involved …

12-19-2022, 12:31 PM	#14
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,443 Likes: 613 Liked 1,916 Times in 574 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race I went to the big money race at SGMP. It was a great time. Anyone that didnt go missed a awesome event. Lots of good food and a big party one evening. The weather wasnt totally cooperative and they had to group two of the 20k races into one 40K race. That was the only hiccup. There was a some issues with the timing and ladder but that got resolved pretty quickly. They had about 160 cars there and I thought that they reached a break even point at near that number. I was hoping that there would be another one of those events this year. Bo returned to Pro Stock, Line retired from Pro Stock and I am not sure if Connley is still working for what was KB Racing. I know he has a shock business that he is operating. All of this might have had some effect on more events. I was surprised that more didnt show up with that amount of money on the line. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

12-19-2022, 12:31 PM	#15
Mike McCandless Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 121 Likes: 3 Liked 320 Times in 35 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race It's just math. The number of bracket cars far exceeds the number of s/ss cars out there. Difficult to race for big money, without huge entry fee's, if there aren't enough cars. Throw in all the obligations throughout the year, not sure where the masses of S/SS racers would have an open schedule and be willing to travel. You could probably do something at a big money bracket race where the S/SS cars are kept separate and then the winner is put into the big race. This is done with footbrake cars at big money top races. Just a thought.

12-19-2022, 01:56 PM	#17
Roy Kinslow Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 45 Likes: 55 Liked 127 Times in 27 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race They will let anyone with the money enter, if someone wants to race for big money. They separate bottom bulb racers. No reason a stock or super stock car wont be competitive, especially since it's all eighth mile. Might need a bigger radiator . Better be capable of excellent reaction times. Give it a shot, they will be glad to have you.

12-19-2022, 03:06 PM	#19
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race Seems to be a lot of different reasons, but am I missing something here. NHRA $2,000 + contingencies to win. SFG. $50,000 to win 4 days = 1 race. 4 days = 4 races No Buybacks. Buyback. I don't like buybacks either If you're racing for $50K why not Mike Pearson is right on. Mike Gray lack of grade points. I know, I need at least 6 points to enter a race in my home state, so I have to travel to several states to get points. 442 OLDS with the talented drivers there, qualifying is of little importance, try surviving. Roy Kinslow, great idea, could be easily done, need to get ahold of SFG to see. Motor Mania TV would be included. Sure there are a lot of reasons, but if you look around drag racing is not as such a big deal as it was a decade ago. Atlanta, Houston, W Palm Bch are examples of what is happening. Soon, the people with their noses up in the air will only be remembering when they could. But what do I know, I'm building a Stocker when tracks are closing, fuel is sky high, and the payouts are similar to 1990. As a side note, for the SFG races it appears you can win with a .030 light and be a hundred off. But there is a better chance of needing a double oh light and be dead on within 8. It's brutal out there, but you just need to beat the other person in the other lane. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

12-21-2022, 10:37 AM	#20
ken robinson Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: tomsriver nj Posts: 477 Likes: 74 Liked 213 Times in 85 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race One of the problems I have is with the disturbing trend of 1/8 & 1000 racing in the bracket racing world . It was all 1/4 mile racing growing up . Sorry I like 1/4 racing . What's fun about doing something half way ? The buy back was something you just live with . It's good seat time & you meet some new car people.