what happened to Jeff Lee

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I may be wrong, my memory isn't what it used to be but as I remember, he had a or some SS only parts on the car but running the car as a Stocker. Remember it was a Stocker then a SS'er then a Stocker again .As I said, my memory isn't what it used to be so.......

Whatever it was I'm sure it was an honest mistake.

As far as being banned. It's a big club! If you haven't been banned at least once, you're not posting enough!! Jim


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Jim,

Jeff's engine was legal for Stock Eliminator.
The only reason NHRA questioned him was regarding the leaf spring shackles that in my opinion and the same of others, were and are legal.

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by Patric Fox

Maybe NHRA should remove other erroneous parts too Ed

I totally agree with that statement. On the other hand, AMC group 19 parts should not be legal nor should anything else that was not available on the showroom floor be legal in stock other than replacement parts that are NHRA approved and do not significantly improve performance. That should not include bigger carbs, "police specials" and some of the other stretches of the rules that have managed to sneak thru over the years.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[Tom keedle]

well, guys, NHRA approved the carb, intake and cam....we go buy 'em and then NHRA or somebody bitches about it and then they get un-approved.

I'm happy as **** because I cannot find the correct carb for my 290,cool, I can quit looking, right?

nope,roughly 1500 bucks down the drain for me.
MY issue with Jeff is he said I was the one that "threw him under the bus" (his words)

news flash, I'm in the same boat, why the hell would I do that?

I could live with the cam and intake getting pulled but why were they approved in the 1st place?


oh well, i'll just run in the local stick class for now

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by jmantle

I totally agree with that statement. On the other hand, AMC group 19 parts should not be legal nor should anything else that was not available on the showroom floor be legal in stock other than replacement parts that are NHRA approved and do not significantly improve performance. That should not include bigger carbs, "police specials" and some of the other stretches of the rules that have managed to sneak thru over the years.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

So Jim,

What is so different with AMC's that can't have parts that were approved under the same guidelines as other makes?
Not to rehash the same B.S. again; nevertheless, I have seen the documentation sent by Chrysler to NHRA making the parts legal for use. It is the same process used by other OEM's to have parts approved such as the 2 x 4 barrel Shelby's, the higher lift cams, Chevy 283 with a 327 intake, etc...

Again, please edify me why AMC's are different and why the same rules don't apply?

[1320racer]

jeff who?

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

So Jim,

What is so different with AMC's that can't have parts that were approved under the same guidelines as other makes?
Not to rehash the same B.S. again; nevertheless, I have seen the documentation sent by Chrysler to NHRA making the parts legal for use. It is the same process used by other OEM's to have parts approved such as the 2 x 4 barrel Shelby's, the higher lift cams, Chevy 283 with a 327 intake, etc...

Again, please edify me why AMC's are different and why the same rules don't apply?

Same rules should apply. Unfortunately over the years a lot of bogus stuff has managed to slip thru, sometimes with the "cooperation" of the factory guys. The problem the AMC guys face is there small numbers, less people making noise.
Group 19 3310 Holley on the Pacer, think that should be legal?

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[Gordie Kissner]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

jeff who?

And you are?? Speaking of needing banned...again

[Eric Merryfield]

Originally Posted by jmantle

Same rules should apply. Unfortunately over the years a lot of bogus stuff has managed to slip thru, sometimes with the "cooperation" of the factory guys. The problem the AMC guys face is there small numbers, less people making noise.
Group 19 3310 Holley on the Pacer, think that should be legal?

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

Not for stock, but it would be fair for super stock since the motor is @ 160 anyway.......I would love to see that for the Gremlin!

Eric

[Ed Fernandez]

Eric, show me where the factory installed the 950 CFM "approved" carb. Would you like to debate the TRW piston?
Pat is correct about chasing other bogus parts, but there's too many out there benefitting from them. Oh and NHRA doesn't have the cujones to pick on a combo that has a lot of users.
Jim, you're 100% right. Jim did you know that you could have had a 500 cfm Holley factory installed on the 258" six? High altitude option. :>) We both missed the boat on that one.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by jmantle

Same rules should apply. Unfortunately over the years a lot of bogus stuff has managed to slip thru, sometimes with the "cooperation" of the factory guys. The problem the AMC guys face is there small numbers, less people making noise.
Group 19 3310 Holley on the Pacer, think that should be legal?

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

Your are using a poor example of using the 3310 Holley in a Pacer since there was not a 4 barrel engine offered. The 3310 Holley only applies to 4 barrel engines. The use of the 3310 Holley is the same issue as when they allowed the Boss 351 to use the Holley carb in lieu of the Motorcraft OEM carb.

The issue of "making noise" is the fact that NHRA has always been selective of whom they allow to get away with changes to the specs.