1975 Index System

[Tony Janes]

Do not hold your breath on any sanctioning bodies developing heads up eliminators, for sure not NHRA.

[randy wilson]

Don't worry. I ain't holding my breath.

[Tod Lane]

Originally Posted by Bill Diehl

I thought that's what the .90 classes are for?

Those are for X box gamers that want a real surround sound experience, all the electronics classes are that way IMHO

Spec cubic inches per pound, spec heads, spec cam spec carb, spec tires

Classes could be added for different specs, weight, carb, big tires, amount of modifications to the chassis ect...

Say a 9" tire class with stock type body/interiors, bolt on traction devices sort of an entry level class

And maybe a 9" tire with more modifications to the CHASSIS

Each class is heads up.

Maybe a king of the hill for the classes with handicaps?

Then heads up

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Guys who want to check my point should ask the local tracks how they make their spectator money. Thursday night Heads up racing from the locals GOIN talks about. No one makes anything off the Sat or Sun Brackets anymore. cant charge the racers enough to cover the costs of the event.
People Love to see someone WIN, even if not the most fair race. Regardless how many of our family or wives or friends understand break outs, dial unders etc it cannot draw a spectator.
Heads up Factory touring cars could fill the stands on a regular race night because....... Now we need a Cheap motor class for all of us to enter(3 or 4) and compete so people will cheer for the Red ford or the Blue Chevy or whatever again.

Dick Cheap Motor and Heads Up (go fast). Are the optimum oxymoron.
In go fast racers will find a way to bend any and all rules. And the sanctioning bodies don't have the will or the manpower, to police it.
I'm able to "cheap out" because I have an oddball class and don't have to compete with the Jones' or the Smith's etc. I can easily pull over half a second out of my car but it would mean spending a lot more money. And I run a class where there are few restrictions on the motor.

[Robert Swartz]

Originally Posted by Tony Janes

Do not hold your breath on any sanctioning bodies developing heads up eliminators, for sure not NHRA.

Or IHRA either. The thread has been hijacked. It's winter and everyone is already going stir crazy. The obligatory thread about a heads up no dial class starts anew, LOL!

Thought this thread was about the old index system. I don't remember the par system myself. I do remember it was late 74, early 75 when the index system was adopted. FWIW, it has served it's purpose. It kept cars in the class. One thing about running off national records, it kept guys honest. It also limited class participation.

The rules today are what we have. We aren't going back. Are some combos soft, yes. That was what people sought years ago as well. The day of discovering something and keeping it secret from the rest of the country, with the internet. That's past history. The Ford 302 gift combo fits that paradigm. How many of these are going to pop up over the next season?

I could start a real sh#! storm. I like the old AHRA Formula Stock rules of the 70's. That gave virtually everything a place to race. From 2 four barrels to 2 barrels. On a corporate level, if a combo came in a car, you could adapt it to any other car. It would suffer the same crisis that the NHRA purists have with crate motor cars. They wouldn't be "stock"? On top of that, it would be a real pain to police, much worse than what we have today.

I'll go back and work on my soft combo FFFord. Give it a couple more years and we won't be having this conversation. New cars will dominate most of the classes. Those of us trying to build low class cars will probably be legislated out of existence.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Personally, I liked running off national records.

You wouldn't if yours was an altitude factored record!! Jim


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[Ed Wright]

I usually held the record I ran off of back then. Very few were stupid enough to set a record they couldn't run anywhere.

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I usually held the record I ran off of back then. Very few were stupid enough to set a record they couldn't run anywhere.

You are absolutely right with your last sentence Ed! However, we aren't in Kansas anymore! All it would take is one racer in a class to screw a class up for a couple of years and unfortunately there are plenty of them out there these days who would trade the 15 minutes of fame for two years of being an also-ran. Jim


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[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

You are absolutely right with your last sentence Ed! However, we aren't in Kansas anymore! All it would take is one racer in a class to screw a class up for a couple of years and unfortunately there are plenty of them out there these days who would trade the 15 minutes of fame for two years of being an also-ran. Jim


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We can all move up or down one class from our natural class, so if some fool did that we could move.

It would be like it was years ago when bracket racing came along. The slow guys, instead of working harder, went bracket racing. We would not have many cars left. Everybody wants the easy button now.

[GRAPE]

Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

You are absolutely right with your last sentence Ed! However, we aren't in Kansas anymore! All it would take is one racer in a class to screw a class up for a couple of years and unfortunately there are plenty of them out there these days who would trade the 15 minutes of fame for two years of being an also-ran. Jim


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1974 C/SA record April 12.36 3 points races Englishtown Columbus Fremont
4 cars hit record we put it to a 12.29 columbus 12.21 Fremont 11.91
there was not a car in the country that could run the record after that.Not even the car that set it. 2 Mopars and a Mustang hit it but a Buick killed it