1975 Index System - Page 3

art leong · 12-29-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Billy, you just see the word "racing" as a dial in game. I see racing as one driver against one with the clock as an observer and you see the clock as the deciding vote. Just a problem of definitions. Have a Happy New Year.

Hey Dick You are describing Pro Stock. Why don't you go build one.

Tony Janes · 12-30-2013, 12:45 AM

Stock and Super Stock is a dial in game

Bill Diehl · 12-30-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

Stock and Super Stock is a dial in game

I thought that's what the .90 classes are for?

Billy Nees · 12-30-2013, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Billy, you just see the word "racing" as a dial in game. I see racing as one driver against one with the clock as an observer and you see the clock as the deciding vote. Just a problem of definitions. Have a Happy New Year.

Dick, Dick, Dick, again I have to disagree with you. You just seem to see the word "racing" as who has the fastest car. When it was worth it for me to take "racing" seriously, I was "racing" the racer in the other lane, the car in the other lane, the racer in the other lanes spotters, his weather calculations, the track and anybody else who wanted to fight about who was going to win the race. When I had to go fast, I'd "let the rabbit out of the hat". And trust me, I've done things to a car to find a couple of hundredths when I needed to that you or any other sane individual would never do.
I like heads-up racing just as much as the next guy but Sportsman Drag "racing" is much more multi-sided than who has the fastest car.
Ya know, maybe you should try hanging around your local track on Friday nights. There's always a lot of guys hanging around that will tell you that they have the fastest car. And for X number of dollars, they'll prove it to you!
And a Happy and Healthy New Year to you and yours too!

Ed Wright · 12-30-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Janes

Stock and Super Stock is a dial in game

Is now. Didn't used to be. They have sure dumbed it down. Had to know something to run the record. Don't have to know much to run the too soft index.

goinbroke2 · 12-30-2013, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Cannot remember the Par system. I bought my first official stocker in 1969 and always raced on the National records. Hard in the midwest to win on a California or Jersey National Record. Really fun because NO one could so we all were in the same boat and some days you out drove them.
I agree the current system is a "part of the scam". The others are the factoring system and the structure which allows a class for everyone instead of everyone racing a class.
Example of this is local National events allowing 80 entries and Hundreds of classes. Result no need for class only bracket racing. No need to tech because its only a dial in race if you are too busy. Added issue is developments by hi tech companies. Ever expanding rules in supposed limited class, S and SS. The Comp tech reachs these and presto HI BUCK Motors, Trans, and Cars. Result gone are the locally successful racers on a budget...

Yeah, there should be one class only right? Just sbc in 69 camaro's and who ever is the fastest wins? Sounds awesome, just find out who ever has the most money, and they win. YAY!! what an awesome concept!
Why not just race aircraft heads up? How many other ways can somebody say "I'm richer than you"? After all, the whole idea of dragracing was based on wallets right?

Dick, there are LOTS of places to go heads up racing. If you want to do that exclusively, have fun. Buy a "competitive car" for a couple hundred grand and have fun.

S/SS is fine the way it is with dial and heads up, thanks.

Dick Butler · 12-30-2013, 12:15 PM

Goin, I believe there is room for all racing just remember SS and S at a points meet is a sunday of Bracket racing our expensive complex Class cars. Even often refered to when Tech is questioned as "dial in anyway so what matters"
My only concern is that with time it has become the ONLY way to race these cars at many events.
No, only one class wont work BUT where are we now? I forget 120 classes? A place for everyone. (so far, now it is Snow mobiles in Div 3)
Is there a reason why the segment who wish to beat someone for a class trophy and pride of being the fastest of one combination should be given less and less opportunity to do so? In honesty why would people really build a "legal" short block to run points meets? should they have one for dial in and save the good stuff for INDY?
It would not stop them from letting off at 1000 ft or driving with you to win.
I think many of you or us spend too much money NOW on cars that only play the dial in. Sure its 1.00 under the index but .....
Again No to one class, No to expensive cars. No to only heads up, but examine why you buy .020 Dykes rings and small journal cranks to be on the qualifying sheet when you only run against the clock you dial and it can be slower for a cheaper short block, or heads or you name it. If you spend the money to be a rocket why not SHOW it against a person who has the same car THAT day, not a different car
I actually support a LIMITED motor car like it all started which can race both ways but with MORE chances to compete heads up too.

randy wilson · 12-30-2013, 12:30 PM

Dick's right. There ain't NOTHING wrong with the sanctioning bodies trying to develop a class where you can truly run heads-up, without spending a fortune. The ONLY reason S and SS cost as much as the do, is because they were allowed to blur the line, so now we run semi pro stock cars, and motors. People need to someday realize the crowd wants to see someone actually race. Drag racing used to be considered the number one spectater sport. NO ONE CARES ANYMORE TO GO LOCALLY AND WATCH IT!!!

Dick Butler · 12-30-2013, 01:01 PM

Guys who want to check my point should ask the local tracks how they make their spectator money. Thursday night Heads up racing from the locals GOIN talks about. No one makes anything off the Sat or Sun Brackets anymore. cant charge the racers enough to cover the costs of the event.
People Love to see someone WIN, even if not the most fair race. Regardless how many of our family or wives or friends understand break outs, dial unders etc it cannot draw a spectator.
Heads up Factory touring cars could fill the stands on a regular race night because....... Now we need a Cheap motor class for all of us to enter(3 or 4) and compete so people will cheer for the Red ford or the Blue Chevy or whatever again.

Bill Diehl · 12-30-2013, 01:12 PM

Dick makes a pretty strong case.... I have to agree.

12-30-2013, 12:45 AM	#22
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 86 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 1975 Index System Stock and Super Stock is a dial in game __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-30-2013, 12:15 PM	#27
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: 1975 Index System Goin, I believe there is room for all racing just remember SS and S at a points meet is a sunday of Bracket racing our expensive complex Class cars. Even often refered to when Tech is questioned as "dial in anyway so what matters" My only concern is that with time it has become the ONLY way to race these cars at many events. No, only one class wont work BUT where are we now? I forget 120 classes? A place for everyone. (so far, now it is Snow mobiles in Div 3) Is there a reason why the segment who wish to beat someone for a class trophy and pride of being the fastest of one combination should be given less and less opportunity to do so? In honesty why would people really build a "legal" short block to run points meets? should they have one for dial in and save the good stuff for INDY? It would not stop them from letting off at 1000 ft or driving with you to win. I think many of you or us spend too much money NOW on cars that only play the dial in. Sure its 1.00 under the index but ..... Again No to one class, No to expensive cars. No to only heads up, but examine why you buy .020 Dykes rings and small journal cranks to be on the qualifying sheet when you only run against the clock you dial and it can be slower for a cheaper short block, or heads or you name it. If you spend the money to be a rocket why not SHOW it against a person who has the same car THAT day, not a different car I actually support a LIMITED motor car like it all started which can race both ways but with MORE chances to compete heads up too. Last edited by Dick Butler; 12-30-2013 at 12:21 PM.

12-30-2013, 12:30 PM	#28
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: 1975 Index System Dick's right. There ain't NOTHING wrong with the sanctioning bodies trying to develop a class where you can truly run heads-up, without spending a fortune. The ONLY reason S and SS cost as much as the do, is because they were allowed to blur the line, so now we run semi pro stock cars, and motors. People need to someday realize the crowd wants to see someone actually race. Drag racing used to be considered the number one spectater sport. NO ONE CARES ANYMORE TO GO LOCALLY AND WATCH IT!!! __________________ don,t have one

12-30-2013, 01:01 PM	#29
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: 1975 Index System Guys who want to check my point should ask the local tracks how they make their spectator money. Thursday night Heads up racing from the locals GOIN talks about. No one makes anything off the Sat or Sun Brackets anymore. cant charge the racers enough to cover the costs of the event. People Love to see someone WIN, even if not the most fair race. Regardless how many of our family or wives or friends understand break outs, dial unders etc it cannot draw a spectator. Heads up Factory touring cars could fill the stands on a regular race night because....... Now we need a Cheap motor class for all of us to enter(3 or 4) and compete so people will cheer for the Red ford or the Blue Chevy or whatever again. Last edited by Dick Butler; 12-30-2013 at 01:03 PM.

12-30-2013, 01:12 PM	#30
Bill Diehl Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 311 Likes: 2 Liked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Re: 1975 Index System Dick makes a pretty strong case.... I have to agree.