Indy Tear Down - Page 2

Dave Casey · 09-13-2013, 11:30 AM

Well Jeff first and foremost there is one part of your reply that is really disturbing,,, "but it is 2013 and even I have to change" No no no, jeff somethings should not change, and one of them is you,,,

now on the other parts, I would go along certainly with the -1.20 cars that are affecting the hp/index being looked at, but don't expect many to be tossed out. I don't think it should be mandatory, but certainly at Indy or an event that allows time, it should be a given

mid and lower pack cars(like myself) should be taken apart at indy for sure. I wish to go to indy next year, right now I am a tenth away from qualifying, so i work on my car and get a tenth or tenth and a half. If everyone knows that you need to be in the top half to get torn down, chances are that some of the mid lower pack cars will push the envelope. I would not be a happy camper if I got bumped out of the field at indy, and there was no teardown for the slower group of cars. Jeff, weren't you part of that group awhile ago ???

Jeff Lee · 09-13-2013, 11:51 AM

The reason the slowest of the pack don't get a pass is that sometimes (oftentimes?) those are the least experienced racers and they have the biggest problem understanding the rulebook and the procedures in checking an engine properly. Same may goo for the machine shop they used. How many times have you been asked what's allowed with deck height and cylinder head gasket thickness?
But the real issue here is Mr. Teuton missed out on a half-day of beer and that is something NHRA should compensate him for after hours.

Jeff Teuton · 09-13-2013, 12:42 PM

I got a call from my old English teacher and she said she was abhorred by my incorrect use of the language, but then Miller Brewing called and said that was proper when used in the manner I did. As for as teardown I was indeed in the lower group with both my trucks after the merge with stock and my Super Bee. Somehow I always get there. You thinking it might be a personal problem. I shower every day. And I had to look up abhorred to see what that meant. And as far as the AHFS anything that moves it should be inspected. As far as the AHFS, I don't like it, never did, and only accepted it as interim until a systems of averages with no instant hit could be developed. That system was in place years ago, but not published, therefore leaving it open for political hits. Stock and Super Stock are always moving because we get parts, we get smarter, and we get new cars and motors. The fixed numbers of AHFS are not compatible with the dynamic eliminators. Adjustments should always be based on the averages of the whole eliminator and like motors/combos. Put it in print, and make all the information available to all racers. I rewrite the thing every year, but my email or letters go to the same place in Cyberville.

Stocker 2 · 09-13-2013, 01:00 PM

Lots of games are played at Indy by many of the Stock and S/S participants. I'm sure NHRA knows this just like everyone else does. Some of those chosen for teardown could have been there because of previous runs made earlier in the year.

An example of a quick run made earlier in the year is shown in the June 2013 issue of Nitro Joe's Drag Racing Stats. Allen Wade's 69 Camaro was the quickest SS/DA listed in that issue at 9.15 on a 10.20 index.

Could it be that a partial teardown list for Indy was already made out before anyone made a run down the track?

Dave Tincher · 09-13-2013, 02:01 PM

I was always curious about how they chose who tore down. I have been tore down at Indy in 2008 2011 2012 2013 and drug screened 2009. 2010 I didn't go to Indy I do not believe its a random pick because I am not a lucky person I buy lottery tickets all the time and never win...

The Hawk · 09-13-2013, 03:43 PM

While on the subject of Indy teardown,I noticed a fair amount of racers that were no shows in the first round of Class Eliminations. If you are a no show in Class,can tech still come to your pit and bring you back for teardown or are you safe from coming apart? I`m just curious,I`ve never seen many no shows.

K Stubbs · 09-13-2013, 06:41 PM

They didn't even wait until I won class to invite me, they just handed me the slip ( with required signature) and pulled me over and sealed my motor, right after first rd of class. It wasn't a bad deal and im sure everyone lost some tools because they were all getting shared by everyone. Good Times

Jeff Teuton · 09-13-2013, 06:44 PM

Stubbs, I'm sure we stole some. I willmake it up on the next physical fitness thing I get from you.

K Stubbs · 09-13-2013, 06:48 PM

Jeff a fishing trip will do it

B Parker · 09-13-2013, 09:49 PM

I agree with Dave 200%. What if I take my bogus car to Indy next year. I have a roller cam in it and the heads are bogus as all heck. Now I know they only pull apart the faster cars or class winners so I sand bag and run just fast enough to get in. Now in round 3 I have a heads up. I out run the guy who one class and went to tear down by 2 tenths. Lets keep everyone honest even the slower cars.

They should tear down anyone that affects a class or HP rating for an engine combo. But as we all know it's easier said then done. Barry

09-13-2013, 11:30 AM	#11
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,201 Likes: 233 Liked 774 Times in 164 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down Well Jeff first and foremost there is one part of your reply that is really disturbing,,, "but it is 2013 and even I have to change" No no no, jeff somethings should not change, and one of them is you,,, now on the other parts, I would go along certainly with the -1.20 cars that are affecting the hp/index being looked at, but don't expect many to be tossed out. I don't think it should be mandatory, but certainly at Indy or an event that allows time, it should be a given mid and lower pack cars(like myself) should be taken apart at indy for sure. I wish to go to indy next year, right now I am a tenth away from qualifying, so i work on my car and get a tenth or tenth and a half. If everyone knows that you need to be in the top half to get torn down, chances are that some of the mid lower pack cars will push the envelope. I would not be a happy camper if I got bumped out of the field at indy, and there was no teardown for the slower group of cars. Jeff, weren't you part of that group awhile ago ??? __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

09-13-2013, 11:51 AM	#12
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down The reason the slowest of the pack don't get a pass is that sometimes (oftentimes?) those are the least experienced racers and they have the biggest problem understanding the rulebook and the procedures in checking an engine properly. Same may goo for the machine shop they used. How many times have you been asked what's allowed with deck height and cylinder head gasket thickness? But the real issue here is Mr. Teuton missed out on a half-day of beer and that is something NHRA should compensate him for after hours. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

09-13-2013, 12:42 PM	#13
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down I got a call from my old English teacher and she said she was abhorred by my incorrect use of the language, but then Miller Brewing called and said that was proper when used in the manner I did. As for as teardown I was indeed in the lower group with both my trucks after the merge with stock and my Super Bee. Somehow I always get there. You thinking it might be a personal problem. I shower every day. And I had to look up abhorred to see what that meant. And as far as the AHFS anything that moves it should be inspected. As far as the AHFS, I don't like it, never did, and only accepted it as interim until a systems of averages with no instant hit could be developed. That system was in place years ago, but not published, therefore leaving it open for political hits. Stock and Super Stock are always moving because we get parts, we get smarter, and we get new cars and motors. The fixed numbers of AHFS are not compatible with the dynamic eliminators. Adjustments should always be based on the averages of the whole eliminator and like motors/combos. Put it in print, and make all the information available to all racers. I rewrite the thing every year, but my email or letters go to the same place in Cyberville. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

09-13-2013, 01:00 PM	#14
Stocker 2 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Indy Tear Down Lots of games are played at Indy by many of the Stock and S/S participants. I'm sure NHRA knows this just like everyone else does. Some of those chosen for teardown could have been there because of previous runs made earlier in the year. An example of a quick run made earlier in the year is shown in the June 2013 issue of Nitro Joe's Drag Racing Stats. Allen Wade's 69 Camaro was the quickest SS/DA listed in that issue at 9.15 on a 10.20 index. Could it be that a partial teardown list for Indy was already made out before anyone made a run down the track?

09-13-2013, 02:01 PM	#15
Dave Tincher Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Elizabethtown IN Posts: 118 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Indy Tear Down I was always curious about how they chose who tore down. I have been tore down at Indy in 2008 2011 2012 2013 and drug screened 2009. 2010 I didn't go to Indy I do not believe its a random pick because I am not a lucky person I buy lottery tickets all the time and never win... __________________ Dave Tincher 306 SS

09-13-2013, 03:43 PM	#16
The Hawk VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Littleton,Colorado Posts: 1,194 Likes: 0 Liked 249 Times in 109 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down While on the subject of Indy teardown,I noticed a fair amount of racers that were no shows in the first round of Class Eliminations. If you are a no show in Class,can tech still come to your pit and bring you back for teardown or are you safe from coming apart? I`m just curious,I`ve never seen many no shows. __________________ Lane Weber It`s Not What You Drive That Wins....It`s How You Drive It

09-13-2013, 06:41 PM	#17
K Stubbs Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Benton, Arkansas Posts: 402 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down They didn't even wait until I won class to invite me, they just handed me the slip ( with required signature) and pulled me over and sealed my motor, right after first rd of class. It wasn't a bad deal and im sure everyone lost some tools because they were all getting shared by everyone. Good Times

09-13-2013, 06:44 PM	#18
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down Stubbs, I'm sure we stole some. I willmake it up on the next physical fitness thing I get from you. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

09-13-2013, 06:48 PM	#19
K Stubbs Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Benton, Arkansas Posts: 402 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down Jeff a fishing trip will do it

09-13-2013, 09:49 PM	#20
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down I agree with Dave 200%. What if I take my bogus car to Indy next year. I have a roller cam in it and the heads are bogus as all heck. Now I know they only pull apart the faster cars or class winners so I sand bag and run just fast enough to get in. Now in round 3 I have a heads up. I out run the guy who one class and went to tear down by 2 tenths. Lets keep everyone honest even the slower cars. They should tear down anyone that affects a class or HP rating for an engine combo. But as we all know it's easier said then done. Barry