Wheelie Bars are not needed for Safety on Stockers!

[Alan Roehrich]

Chris, it's like this.

Bruce made a post about wheelie bars and the fact that he was told by an NHRA offical that they were not a safety device on stockers. Pretty much an informational post for Stock racers.

A discussion began about wheelie bars being necessary for safety.

It went fairly well, until some people who do not own, drive, or crew high HP stockers capable of big wheel stands and serious damage as a result began telling everyone who does either own, drive, or crew one of those high HP cars that they didn't know what they were doing and wheelie bars were not necessary.

So now we have people who have zero direct experience with the subject at hand, telling people with decades (centuries when combined) of direct experience with the subject at hand, that they did not know what they were doing. Easy to see where it was going.

Then we have people coming in and making stupid remarks that had nothing to do with wheelie bars and safety. Your friend Nathan, in particular: "I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something." You want to tell me where the "suggestion", especially a helpful and knowledgable suggestion, was in his first post in this thread? Right, there was not one, he pretty much says class racers do nothing but cry. That was his contribution to the subject at hand, in a nut shell. Well, we knew where it was headed.

I'm all for listening to people who have reasonable suggestions, based on pertinent facts.

Considering what I've seen Nathan and Ed contribute to this board, I don't care whether they're buddies or not.

Here is a suggestion for Nathan, and people who complain that "Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something". If you don't like it, and you have nothing to contribute, don't read it. We won't miss you.

Yeah, class racers complain when they feel the sanctioning body gets it wrong. It's called feed back. From paying customers, and the people who support them. If we did not complain, if they knew we'd just accept what they did without question or complaint, I'm pretty sure we'd be in worse shape.

I'm headed to the track, to do some racing. Enjoy your day at the pool.

[Crisco]

Alan, its like this. I'm not going to argue with you. See you tomorrow though.

[Notch1320]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

It went fairly well, until some people who do not own, drive, or crew high HP stockers capable of big wheel stands and serious damage as a result began telling everyone who does either own, drive, or crew one of those high HP cars that they didn't know what they were doing and wheelie bars were not necessary.

Alan, I never once "began telling anyone that they didn't know what they were doing" as you stated. The debate was on Safety and Wheelie Bars! I tried to add in a different view point via another style of car beyond a Stocker stating that it "COULD" be done, and yourself and several other jumped all over me...with an attitude I might add. Things just snowballed from there. I respect anyone who own, runs, or drives a high HP Stocker......but, just because I own, run, and drive a K/S car doesn't mean I'm don't know what I'm doing, or how a Stocker works.....no matter what letter may be on the window, or what I have done in the past in other classes. I come here to learn. This forum has assisted my program tremendously over the years. That being said, in another post on this very forum they are discussing the future of class racing to include S/SS. Now, think of a brand new young kid who enters this site looking at class racing as something he wants to get into......After a few pages of this very thread, I would bet his interest might change after reading all the arguing and back and forth bitching, resulting in him or her probably being afraid to even ask his first technical question relating to class racing, or wheelie bars. Not everyone posting here cares about S/SS racing, but I do! My Stocker is being torn down and converted to a small tire Heads-Up car at the moment. One day I would like to build a A/S car or maybe a SS/GT car out of this same car. I have a combo in mind and after I have fulfilled my personal goals in the Heads-Up arena, I would like to give A/S a shot. Oh, and I plan to run it without wheelie bars in both categories.....hence the reason I entered this thread. It might work, it might not....and beyond all the bitching in this thread, I have learned what I am up against when it comes to doing this with a Stocker, vs. the Heads-Up cars I am familiar with. So to guys like Alan, Ed W. and Bruce......if you post or enter a topic on here, keep in mind that just because someone has "1320" in their screen name, doesn't mean they are an "expert", it might just mean that they are a drag racer.......just like you.

[Ed Carpenter]

I don't understand why people who don't currently race a stocker or super stocker get involved with posts on class racer in the s/ss section. It doesn't affect them directly at all. I could care less but why go get worked up about something when you don't even compete? Life's to short people.

[Bruce Noland]

Notch,
There has been little argument between class racers about the need for wheelie bars. The problems for this thread arose when others who are not affected by the new fix it letter decided we should do things their way. Those people seemed to be offended when their positions were rejected. Then they became bitter and started heckling others by calling them the experts etc. You know what I mean? Your position on wheelie bars has been soundly defeated on this forum. Deal with it.

I think all of us who are affected by this rule should sign a letter requesting the repeal of this rule. We could probably do it right here if it is OK with Ken.

[Tom Moock]

1320, do you think Tony needs wheelie bars? Tom

[Notch1320]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

1320, do you think Tony needs wheelie bars? Tom

On this forum, the only correct answer is YES Tom. Discussing it further would only add more drama. Love the car though!!!

[Nathan Stinson]

Originally Posted by notch1320

on this forum, the only correct answer is yes tom. Discussing it further would only add more drama. Love the car though!!!

lol!

[Notch1320]

Bruce,

I do have a question for you concerning the notches. How is the dated deadline from NHRA sent out to the racers to ensure everyone is aware of the rule change/clarification? I didn't see it on any of the divisional pages. Beyond the folks who frequent this forum, and the people who have been talked to directly by NHRA officials, how is this handled?

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

1320, do you think Tony needs wheelie bars? Tom

If I was in Tony's car for that one, I would say wheelie bars and some new undies! LOL!