Window Net Rule - Page 3

1320racer · 03-06-2012, 04:06 PM

I'd expect bracket racers to bitch about such things but class racers, say it ain't so. $25 or $125, is pennies compared to what these cars cost to build and race no mind the cost of the stackers and motorhomes that fill the pits.

SS/GSI · 03-06-2012, 04:19 PM

I was told by a Division Director that all window nets/mesh must follow the two year rule effective April 1, 2012.

Rich67stang · 03-06-2012, 04:21 PM

All of this recertification of belts, new window nets, etc. is useless until the second you need all of them. They might look perfect, but after time they do loose tensile strength.
I hope everyone that complains about the safety rules never need them.

buzzinhalfdozen · 03-06-2012, 04:54 PM

1320racer, maybe 125.00 is chump change to you to me it's a tank of diesel to go racing. Despite what any rule makers say WE are responsible for making sure our equipment is in order. I have 0 problem with spending money on things I find need replaced or updated, some of you must think that just because it's new it must be better, heck I've seen brand new parts and equipment be junk. Answer me this...are the cheapest belts or window net as good as the highest dollar pieces? How bout helmets? We all have decisions to make on what we feel best suits our needs, if you want to put new stuff in your car every week then so be it, I'll save my money for things I really need.Joe BTW I at times have my son drive my car I'm certainly not going to risk hurting him over saving some money if I were that concerned about the expense I'd do better to take up bowling.

1320racer · 03-06-2012, 05:06 PM

Joe, chump change or not, a drop in the bucket of your racing operation. I stand by my comments,

kevin marshall · 03-06-2012, 06:45 PM

Talked to a tech guy @ the gatornationals today & he said there are 14 pages of changes to the 2012 rule book. One of the changes is your old window net is good. You do not have to update the net every 2 yrs unless your car runs faster than 7.50. So super stock cars don't need to change the net.

chevy620 · 03-06-2012, 07:30 PM

Wonder how many they sold for their advertisers before they caught that error?
I am sure their mindset is: It's only $50.00 or so, these racers have money, who cares.
Getting easy to see why the pits are less full, the stands are basically empty and NHRA is digging a deep hole for themselves. Total lack of Customer Service or even the knowledge of how to deal with it,

Jok

SS Engine Guy · 03-07-2012, 01:57 AM

Yea, just throw money at it. Works every time.

JP · 03-07-2012, 02:37 AM

There is majord difference in material and construction between "cheap or "expensive products. It is ok to sew seatbelt in Nylon, Polyester and Kevlar. The cheap ones are in Nylon, a material that have about 20% of it strength after 2 years and during a crash it strech more then 15%. Polyester and kevlar is way better and more expensive (used by the expensive brands)
But it's not only about what you have, I would say its even more important that you use what you have in a correct way.

In my opinion is Stock a joke when talking about Personal Safety. Stock Seats are allowed, a interior that burns like gasoline, seat belt geometry that doesn't hold the driver in the stock seat, open face helmets that doesn't protect you when you plant the face in the steering wheel etc.

Don't take this wrong, I love Stock and Super Stock, but grab a coffe and sit down. Personal Safety is the most important part of Motorsport, if the focus is on saving a buck or two on Safety Parts it's time to re-think.

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Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

1320racer, maybe 125.00 is chump change to you to me it's a tank of diesel to go racing. Despite what any rule makers say WE are responsible for making sure our equipment is in order. I have 0 problem with spending money on things I find need replaced or updated, some of you must think that just because it's new it must be better, heck I've seen brand new parts and equipment be junk. Answer me this...are the cheapest belts or window net as good as the highest dollar pieces? How bout helmets? We all have decisions to make on what we feel best suits our needs, if you want to put new stuff in your car every week then so be it, I'll save my money for things I really need.Joe BTW I at times have my son drive my car I'm certainly not going to risk hurting him over saving some money if I were that concerned about the expense I'd do better to take up bowling.

goinbroke2 · 03-07-2012, 07:16 AM

How do things get off topic or on a tangent so quickly?
The point is not the $25-$50.
The point is the arbitrary rules by nhra that directly means $$$.

Today is window nets and not too long ago it was helmets. Yes they are both required and yes everybody wants to be safe. I'm sure noone here would race a car with the seat bolted to a plywood floor or seatbelts bolted to floor tin with a washer, how about conduit or exh tube for a roll bar? Of course not...but it HAS been done in the past and that's why rules were put in place.

But now for nhra to decide that having a .134 wall rollbar isn't good enough, it has to be replaced every 2 years(for example).....would anybody complain about the waste of money? Of course they would! It's not that they wouldn't want a rollbar or agree that a roll bar of specified size/thickness is required, it's just the questionable practice of replacing it every two years...because nhra said. THAT is the issue.

Are belts/gloves/helmets/nets etc unsafe after 2 years of "laying in the sun"? If so, then why isn't the equipment that is in stockcars which sit in the same sun and ARE USED REPEATEDLY year after year ok? Has anybody seen a belt or glove fail?
And don't give me the "if you don't see it then the rule must be right" because that's the same logic as carrying a 1/2" wrench to keep the elephants away, none around? SEE IT MUST BE WORKING!

Don't need a net if your slower than 10.50, fine...doesn't say you CAN'T have one if you want it. As far as ribbon or mesh, one is better than the other (same as material) and one requires a two year recert the other doesn't.

It all boils down to "must" and "can". I've never made a pass without a helmet...even though over the years I've run some pretty SLOW stuff. What is it, slower than 15.00 and you don't need a helmet for bracketracing or something like that? Doesn't matter to me, it's MY choice to wear a $200 helmet in a 21 second fwd streetcar. But if it was mandatory and had to have a new helmet every 2-3 years? Yeah, I would complain too!

03-06-2012, 04:06 PM	#21
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule I'd expect bracket racers to bitch about such things but class racers, say it ain't so. $25 or $125, is pennies compared to what these cars cost to build and race no mind the cost of the stackers and motorhomes that fill the pits. Last edited by 1320racer; 03-06-2012 at 04:08 PM.

03-06-2012, 04:19 PM	#22
SS/GSI Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 291 Likes: 79 Liked 751 Times in 108 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule I was told by a Division Director that all window nets/mesh must follow the two year rule effective April 1, 2012. __________________ Kevin Gaffney 1123 SS/GA

03-06-2012, 04:21 PM	#23
Rich67stang Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 312 Likes: 3 Liked 111 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule All of this recertification of belts, new window nets, etc. is useless until the second you need all of them. They might look perfect, but after time they do loose tensile strength. I hope everyone that complains about the safety rules never need them.

03-06-2012, 04:54 PM	#24
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule 1320racer, maybe 125.00 is chump change to you to me it's a tank of diesel to go racing. Despite what any rule makers say WE are responsible for making sure our equipment is in order. I have 0 problem with spending money on things I find need replaced or updated, some of you must think that just because it's new it must be better, heck I've seen brand new parts and equipment be junk. Answer me this...are the cheapest belts or window net as good as the highest dollar pieces? How bout helmets? We all have decisions to make on what we feel best suits our needs, if you want to put new stuff in your car every week then so be it, I'll save my money for things I really need.Joe BTW I at times have my son drive my car I'm certainly not going to risk hurting him over saving some money if I were that concerned about the expense I'd do better to take up bowling. __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117 Last edited by buzzinhalfdozen; 03-06-2012 at 05:02 PM.

03-06-2012, 05:06 PM	#25
1320racer VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,628 Likes: 160 Liked 759 Times in 379 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule Joe, chump change or not, a drop in the bucket of your racing operation. I stand by my comments,

03-06-2012, 06:45 PM	#26
kevin marshall Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Window Net Rule Talked to a tech guy @ the gatornationals today & he said there are 14 pages of changes to the 2012 rule book. One of the changes is your old window net is good. You do not have to update the net every 2 yrs unless your car runs faster than 7.50. So super stock cars don't need to change the net.

03-06-2012, 07:30 PM	#27
chevy620 Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 188 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule Wonder how many they sold for their advertisers before they caught that error? I am sure their mindset is: It's only $50.00 or so, these racers have money, who cares. Getting easy to see why the pits are less full, the stands are basically empty and NHRA is digging a deep hole for themselves. Total lack of Customer Service or even the knowledge of how to deal with it, Jok

03-07-2012, 01:57 AM	#28
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Window Net Rule Yea, just throw money at it. Works every time.

03-07-2012, 07:16 AM	#30
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 884 Likes: 1,567 Liked 381 Times in 148 Posts	Re: Window Net Rule How do things get off topic or on a tangent so quickly? The point is not the $25-$50. The point is the arbitrary rules by nhra that directly means $$$. Today is window nets and not too long ago it was helmets. Yes they are both required and yes everybody wants to be safe. I'm sure noone here would race a car with the seat bolted to a plywood floor or seatbelts bolted to floor tin with a washer, how about conduit or exh tube for a roll bar? Of course not...but it HAS been done in the past and that's why rules were put in place. But now for nhra to decide that having a .134 wall rollbar isn't good enough, it has to be replaced every 2 years(for example).....would anybody complain about the waste of money? Of course they would! It's not that they wouldn't want a rollbar or agree that a roll bar of specified size/thickness is required, it's just the questionable practice of replacing it every two years...because nhra said. THAT is the issue. Are belts/gloves/helmets/nets etc unsafe after 2 years of "laying in the sun"? If so, then why isn't the equipment that is in stockcars which sit in the same sun and ARE USED REPEATEDLY year after year ok? Has anybody seen a belt or glove fail? And don't give me the "if you don't see it then the rule must be right" because that's the same logic as carrying a 1/2" wrench to keep the elephants away, none around? SEE IT MUST BE WORKING! Don't need a net if your slower than 10.50, fine...doesn't say you CAN'T have one if you want it. As far as ribbon or mesh, one is better than the other (same as material) and one requires a two year recert the other doesn't. It all boils down to "must" and "can". I've never made a pass without a helmet...even though over the years I've run some pretty SLOW stuff. What is it, slower than 15.00 and you don't need a helmet for bracketracing or something like that? Doesn't matter to me, it's MY choice to wear a $200 helmet in a 21 second fwd streetcar. But if it was mandatory and had to have a new helmet every 2-3 years? Yeah, I would complain too!