Manufactures Points for 2011 GM Cars

[SPS]

Maybe a lot of you don't understand the Manufacturer's Cup and the points.
Points are given to current year Stock, Super Stock and Pro Stock cars for the manufacturer throughout the year at both national and divisional races. The manufacturer with the most points at the end of the year wins the NHRA Manufacturer;s Cup.

In the Olds days, this was an important tool for advertising and pride within the corporation. And Olds cared, a lot. Won the Manufacturer's Cup more than any other, as well as more years in a row.

And, of coarse, it was good for us sportsman racers, as the people at Olds understood that stock and super stock points were as good as Pro Stock points ....and cost a hell of a lot less to get.

Hense, the support we, as sportsman racers received.

Could be that way again, if the corporations could only see it. These were good years for the sportsman racer. Great memories for me.

FJ Smith

[Jim Wahl]

FJ is correct, and the fact that the NHRA is not following their own rules and diluting the Manufacturing Points chase is just another example of how it's all about the money for them. How does it affect Stock and Super Stock Gump? It emboldens the NHRA to continue to just do whatever they feel will bring in the big $. Rules be damned. It's already affected us. Do the new Mustangs and Challengers ring a bell? Jim

[Dean Roberts]

What a bunch of whiners!

[Randall Klein]

Whiners? I guess having integrity, class and doing things the right way means nothing. One reason for racer NHRA loyalty (to a fault) was an organization that stood for something...the NHRA oval was a symbol that stood for something...once.

FJ, I certainly understand yours and others appreciation for Olds and their committment to racers, esp the sportsman guys, but I can't recall their using the mfgs award to increase everyday sales, certainly "in-house" pride possibly, but what do Olds, TRW, Grace, Federal Mogul, Quaker State, et al have to show for their NHRA dollars? Does it do Coca Cola any good to have viewers watch winner circle guys forcing a sip of PowerAid or whatever energy drink is of the day, when they are obviously thirsty, and would probably slam a Coke or Bud...I've often wondered how the marketing guys spin these things to the bean counters

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

FJ, I certainly understand yours and others appreciation for Olds and their committment to racers, esp the sportsman guys, but I can't recall their using the mfgs award to increase everyday sales, certainly "in-house" pride possibly, but what do Olds, TRW, Grace, Federal Mogul, Quaker State, et al have to show for their NHRA dollars? Does it do Coca Cola any good to have viewers watch winner circle guys forcing a sip of PowerAid or whatever energy drink is of the day, when they are obviously thirsty, and would probably slam a Coke or Bud...I've often wondered how the marketing guys spin these things to the bean counters

What are you trying to say? Do you think that all sponsors should drop their support for drag racing? That would be great for the sport!

On a side note, I sure do love all those 1996 Achieva Super Stock cars (Not in the guide). This has been going on for a long time.

[Ed Fernandez]

The solution is very simple.Have the manufacturer post for the current models they
manufacture.If someone wants the moolah that bad they'll build the car for it.
Say Gump,aren't you one of the guys who had no problem with the "new" F.I. GM cars
from the 90s?

People-Glass houses-Stones=Trouble

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Say Gump,aren't you one of the guys who had no problem with the "new" F.I. GM cars

Yep! I love them. I have two LT1 1998 Formulas. I love the new cars too. That's why I purchased a Drag Pak. I could go on and on about the cars I love. It started with a 1969 GTO that I still own. So you can see, I love antiques too. But none of this has anything to do with this thread. What's your point?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Yep! I love them. I have two LT1 1998 Formulas. I love the new cars too. That's why I purchased a Drag Pak. I could go on and on about the cars I love. It started with a 1969 GTO that I still own. So you can see, I love antiques too. But none of this has anything to do with this thread. What's your point?

The LT1s were factored wayyyy wrong and GM was a major sponsor.The CJs and the Drag Packs were factored wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong and Ford was a major sponsor and now NHRA is allowing a BOGUS manufactureres cup for phantom cars that don't exist.You see nothing wrong???????
I believe that the early GTO's were given a ***** load of HP off to get them out and racing again too.
You have a telent,and a budget,to get into cars with a good chance of winning some heads up runs.Good for you,but don't pretend it isn't a form of NHRA welfare.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

The LT1s were factored wayyyy wrong and GM was a major sponsor.The CJs and the Drag Packs were factored wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy wrong and Ford was a major sponsor and now NHRA is allowing a BOGUS

How can you compare the two? The published HP for the LT1 is dead on. Do you really think that the HP for any 396 car is correct, or is it just a factor?

manufactureres cup for phantom cars that don't exist.You see nothing wrong???????)

My point is that this has been going on for an awful long time. I don't understand what impact it has on someone like me, or the average class racer.

I believe that the early GTO's were given a ***** load of HP off to get them out and racing again too.

I would agree with that. It's off topic, but it is a good example of the NHRA trying to be PC with racers. Since when was this about making every combination even?

You have a telent,and a budget,to get into cars with a good chance of winning some heads up runs.Good for you,but don't pretend it isn't a form of NHRA welfare.

That's off topic. If you want, feel free to PM me.

[Ed Fernandez]

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