A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp - Page 2

david ring · 11-15-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

are you f'in retarded?

You better hope Vinny Barone doesn't hear of you using the word retarted! I think you meant to say, are you f'in stupid?

X-TECH MAN · 11-15-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

As much as I love the IHRA I have to agree that the fuel injected classes are bad for Stock Eliminator.

I think that you will be surprised at what the Modular will put out.

As long as NHRA and IHRA dont do SOMETHING about the bogus HP ratings then keeping them seperate from the old cars is a good thing. When the racing ASSociations get their act together on this joke THEN drop the FI classes and run them together. All you guys with the new cars want is more heads up runs against the older combos so you can have a free ride into the next round or a class (?) win.

JRyan · 11-15-2010, 03:16 PM

Charlie.
The 140hp 307 Olds is rated 240 hp. The 85 flat top 305 in a Camaro is rated 262, an 82 dish piston Camaro is 244 and the Malibu 230. Wades 283 is rated 217hp and the 138hp roller Olds is 213hp.
Both of the engines rated less then the 281 have far less compression and the 283 has a .399 lift cam. The roller 307 has a horrible intake and head design.
So @ 235 it may not be greatly underfactored but it should be a lot better then the dished piston 305 or 140hp Olds for certain.

Rick Ryan

Charley Downing · 11-15-2010, 03:25 PM

The 240hp olds 307 is a very bad combo. I was looking more at the 213hp olds 307 with a 400 plus lift cam and a 800 carb.

Bill Edgeworth · 11-15-2010, 03:45 PM

What are all you cry babies going to do when guys like Wade and I don't complain about them?
I'm with Wade bring em on!

JRyan · 11-15-2010, 03:49 PM

You're right big carb, good cam. But again an absolute horrible intake and bad heads in stock form. Actually the heads aren't even that good in super stock form. They're hardly good enough to make up the hp difference in super stock. Some have been run with some success.
We built one for a good friend of ours. It's far from trick and it will run the index and a touch better. However with all the good stuff it will still never set the world on fire. It's probably capable of .70 under around here in our great air we have. I personally still wouldn't say it's any better of a combo then the 140hp though.
I would love too build one of these new Mustangs however. I think it'll make a good car.

danny waters sr · 11-15-2010, 04:06 PM

I'm not crying...We need new cars as well ,but we don't need to run the old cars away. Both sanctions have tried to help by letting you move up or down a class if you want to hide .You know as well as i do there is a lot of last minute tech because of the waiting to see who is running what class .Most of the time most of the racers have it figured out between themselves. I paid the same entry fee as the next guy ,but i came to try to win,and if i can avoid a heads up with my ole slow poke then i will .If the TRUTH be known the majority of the racers will do the same thing unless they have a rivalry going on or a pi$$ing match going on. Oh and along with playing the ladder for a heads up run , or avoiding a heads up ,not just for by runs.I will race and hope i make rounds . If i get beat it's my fault not yours. If it's a heads up and i lose ,i just lose and when money lets me i will try to get my car faster with old technology and not out of the" factory box". Not bashing the new cars , i love them and wish i could afford one, but that is just another dream.It was hard enough to make my 1st dream come true and that was to be able to even have a stocker. Sorry for the long letter. Happy Racing to all !!!!

Jimi B · 11-15-2010, 04:12 PM

I mentioned this article on facebook the other day...

Sure its under factored... But things that really bother me is the line:

"Modifications to the engine included their high flow CNC 3-valve cylinder heads, high performance intake"

First of all modifications kinda sounds a little "off" for stock eliminator. And most of all. "CNC Heads" and "high performance intake" really doesnt sound Stock Eliminator to me.

Hagen Gary · 11-15-2010, 06:08 PM

Everybody knows that when take a 300hp factory rated 4.6 and you put better designed heads with more cc's, a better intake, bigger cam and bigger throttle body, you naturaly are going to lose some HP. So we get 235hp. Give me a break. "Retarded" might have been a improper way of expressing it, but you would have to be mentaly challenged to belive this horse sh!%!

X-TECH MAN · 11-15-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

Everybody knows that when take a 300hp factory rated 4.6 and you put better designed heads with more cc's, a better intake, bigger cam and bigger throttle body, you naturaly are going to lose some HP. So we get 235hp. Give me a break. "Retarded" might have been a improper way of expressing it, but you would have to be mentaly challenged to belive this horse sh!%!

LOL.....Great description of what is going on at NHRA!

11-15-2010, 03:16 PM	#13
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp Charlie. The 140hp 307 Olds is rated 240 hp. The 85 flat top 305 in a Camaro is rated 262, an 82 dish piston Camaro is 244 and the Malibu 230. Wades 283 is rated 217hp and the 138hp roller Olds is 213hp. Both of the engines rated less then the 281 have far less compression and the 283 has a .399 lift cam. The roller 307 has a horrible intake and head design. So @ 235 it may not be greatly underfactored but it should be a lot better then the dished piston 305 or 140hp Olds for certain. Rick Ryan

11-15-2010, 03:25 PM	#14
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp The 240hp olds 307 is a very bad combo. I was looking more at the 213hp olds 307 with a 400 plus lift cam and a 800 carb. __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

11-15-2010, 03:45 PM	#15
Bill Edgeworth Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 258 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp What are all you cry babies going to do when guys like Wade and I don't complain about them? I'm with Wade bring em on! __________________ Bill Edgeworth 6471 STK

11-15-2010, 03:49 PM	#16
JRyan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aberdeen SD Posts: 645 Likes: 30 Liked 112 Times in 31 Posts	Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp You're right big carb, good cam. But again an absolute horrible intake and bad heads in stock form. Actually the heads aren't even that good in super stock form. They're hardly good enough to make up the hp difference in super stock. Some have been run with some success. We built one for a good friend of ours. It's far from trick and it will run the index and a touch better. However with all the good stuff it will still never set the world on fire. It's probably capable of .70 under around here in our great air we have. I personally still wouldn't say it's any better of a combo then the 140hp though. I would love too build one of these new Mustangs however. I think it'll make a good car.

11-15-2010, 04:06 PM	#17
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp I'm not crying...We need new cars as well ,but we don't need to run the old cars away. Both sanctions have tried to help by letting you move up or down a class if you want to hide .You know as well as i do there is a lot of last minute tech because of the waiting to see who is running what class .Most of the time most of the racers have it figured out between themselves. I paid the same entry fee as the next guy ,but i came to try to win,and if i can avoid a heads up with my ole slow poke then i will .If the TRUTH be known the majority of the racers will do the same thing unless they have a rivalry going on or a pi$$ing match going on. Oh and along with playing the ladder for a heads up run , or avoiding a heads up ,not just for by runs.I will race and hope i make rounds . If i get beat it's my fault not yours. If it's a heads up and i lose ,i just lose and when money lets me i will try to get my car faster with old technology and not out of the" factory box". Not bashing the new cars , i love them and wish i could afford one, but that is just another dream.It was hard enough to make my 1st dream come true and that was to be able to even have a stocker. Sorry for the long letter. Happy Racing to all !!!! __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

11-15-2010, 04:12 PM	#18
Jimi B Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp I mentioned this article on facebook the other day... Sure its under factored... But things that really bother me is the line: "Modifications to the engine included their high flow CNC 3-valve cylinder heads, high performance intake" First of all modifications kinda sounds a little "off" for stock eliminator. And most of all. "CNC Heads" and "high performance intake" really doesnt sound Stock Eliminator to me.

11-15-2010, 06:08 PM	#19
Hagen Gary Live Reporter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cajun country Posts: 339 Likes: 51 Liked 34 Times in 10 Posts	Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp Everybody knows that when take a 300hp factory rated 4.6 and you put better designed heads with more cc's, a better intake, bigger cam and bigger throttle body, you naturaly are going to lose some HP. So we get 235hp. Give me a break. "Retarded" might have been a improper way of expressing it, but you would have to be mentaly challenged to belive this horse sh!%!