Titanium Valves Allowed in S/S?

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

I dont know if David is implying that I asked for this, but last year, after indy, I asked them to consider it. After I went to Jesel, and we got it to spin to 10,900 clean, with steel valves that weigh 148 grams, I didnt really care anymore. I hadnt heard a word about it until jeff K. told me at indy it was a done deal. I said whatever. Just let me know what the rules are, and I will figure out how to deal with them.
cw

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

I got an email from NHRA tech a while back asking me how much I spent on cranks, cause they were wondering if they should turn loose billets. I asked about that last year also, because I wanted to make some changes to the cranks that the current forgings wouldnt handle. I figured out how to work with what I had, and didnt persue it anymore. Like I said I dont care either way, just tell me what the rules are so I can plan my next move.

Make up your mind, Charlie. One minute you're saying, "I don't care, just tell me what the rules are", and the next you're asking NHRA to change rules to solve your problems.

How about I plan the next move for you, Its really simple. Stick to the rule book. Its guys like you that are killing the originality of the class.

[Spyphish]

killing the originality of the class.[/QUOTE]

David, before you were born these 1968 factory cars were made and ran in the 10s, the originality of the class. Now it's prostock without a sponsor, low 8s 160mph (expensive) and the fans love it. My engine builder says absolutley to Ti valves in AH for engine life and less blowups at high speed. I would love to get the steering out of the pan (R&P) and a diaper of some type. All about saftey. I am preparing a letter in favor of these changes as I have a "dog in this hunt". My 20,000,000 cents
Ha! Stephen

[David Barton]

Spyphish, Since when was your car running high speed? Just kidding.

I agree, this is turning into Pro Stock. And look how ridiculous their rules got. You guys just don't get it. If we keep following this path we'll end up running tube chassis carbon fiber bodied SS/AH cars.....because its safer. What makes you think we can't put on a diaper now? Have you personally tried?

I'm 100% all for safety rules, but people get stupid about it. For example, the inner fender tubs for front tire clearance. If your tires hit, then raise the ride height or run a smaller tire. If your engine can't rev to 10,000 RPM without breaking then don't rev it to 10,000 RPM.

That's why it is SUPER STOCK!!!

Stop taking the STOCK out of Super Stock. Go race Comp if you don't like it. You'll even get a nicer pit spot.

[charlie westcott]

Kinda like guys asking NHRA to make center counterweights legal. I didnt do that one. Or guys protesting me for 48 degree lifters when they were the ones that started it. I dont complain about other people, I just figure out how to make them wish I hadnt showed up. Any reputable person that builds engines will tell you that Ti valves will be cheaper in the long run. Unless they are trying to protect the "club Hornick" payed high rpm engine that they pass around.
I am killing the class, Thats a good one. I am giving people an option to run against the pennsylvania millionares club. I dont have a club, I sell the same stuff to everyone, and last year we beat your best stuff with Rains backup engine.
Sorry for your sad face, my day is going pretty well so far. Maybe the sun will shine on you.
cw

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

Kinda like guys asking NHRA to make center counterweights legal. I didnt do that one. Or guys protesting me for 48 degree lifters when they were the ones that started it. I dont complain about other people, I just figure out how to make them wish I hadnt showed up. Any reputable person that builds engines will tell you that Ti valves will be cheaper in the long run. Unless they are trying to protect the "club Hornick" payed high rpm engine that they pass around.
I am killing the class, Thats a good one. I am giving people an option to run against the pennsylvania millionares club. I dont have a club, I sell the same stuff to everyone, and last year we beat your best stuff with Rains backup engine.
Sorry for your sad face, my day is going pretty well so far. Maybe the sun will shine on you.
cw

You must feel awfully guilty about this whole deal because nobody ever commented about you saying anything. You jumped right in.

I never asked NHRA to add center counterweights. Would it help? Absolutely, but I wouldn't want it if it meant it would protect the rules of the class.

Did we have 48 degree lifters in the past? Yes. But we were told it wasn't legal so we stopped. Did you stop, no, you just complained to NHRA.

2 years ago at the Maple Grove National 2 weeks before Indy we asked NHRA once again, "Are you allowed to change the lifter angles?", and they replied, "Absolutley not". We asked, "Would you check it at Indy in 2 weeks", and NHRA replied "Yes, if we had the right tools". We didn't protest you, we attempted to and NHRA wouldn't let us. First they said they didn't have the tools. When we told them we had the tools they said, "Well, we're not going to check it anyway". And guess what, the following Tuesday there was a rule change to accommodate Charlie Westcott, once again.

I never said that changing to Ti valves wouldn't be cheaper in the long run. How many times do I have to say the same thing, keep the rules the way they are, you are killing the originality of the class. I'm not talking about the cost of the parts or the time before your motor breaks. I'm talking about keeping Super Stock the way it is. Can't you understand this at all? Are you that dense?

I don't think sacrificing 2 engines to beat me is anything to brag about. You and your Dad are lucky my carbs decided to bog in the final. Congrats on your win. What happened this year? Oh yeah, 2 more bit the dust. What rule change are you planning for now?

Why didn't you borrow Rains' motor this year? Because he doesn't have the same power you have or because he was slow?

[James L Miller]

It looks to me that NHRA doesn't have the technical skills to police their rules anymore. The racers got more sophicated that the sanctioning body. I guess that is why they opened up porting and chamber mods because the cheaters (not picking out anyone here) were smarter than the tech guys. Back to the porch for me.

[X-TECH MAN]

OUCH! This is getting good even though most of us in the know knew what was going on already with the Hemis. . These SS/AH cars are out of hand and NOTHING like they should be. I think the AH part stands for something else.....LOL.

[BlueOval Ralph]

There is no question this statement. NHRA need's a house cleaning and they need VERY GOOD tech people FULL TIME and the same ones at every race.

Originally Posted by James L Miller

It looks to me that NHRA doesn't have the technical skills to police their rules anymore. The racers got more sophicated that the sanctioning body. I guess that is why they opened up porting and chamber mods because the cheaters (not picking out anyone here) were smarter than the tech guys. Back to the porch for me.

[FINESPLINE]

I understand the idea of of Ti valves but it is not allowed in SS. The last time everyone looked -SS/AH was part of SS eliminater. So for the want of the few , everyone will be (forced ), well not forced, but in this competitive sport ,will run them for fear of giving up an edge to the competition.
I have never met Charlie Westcott but I do like his attitude. You can,t beat-------just tell me the rules so I know what to work with.

[FINESPLINE]

Oh , one more thing------As far as the NHRA tech dept. allowing Stock and S/Stock to morph into what we have today . Whatever they allow or disallow they should be geared to check it at teardown. I don't believe I have to cite examples. They created this monster-----now corral it.