Stocker Bracket for Charity ?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Well, the ONLY thing I personally know, is I am willing to put up the money TODAY.....

The ONLY single reason that this race wont happen is if John Irving backs out of a gauntlet HE has thrown down....PERIOD. Make no mistake he was the one that came up with the Idea , I simply added participation for others and set terms of a check made out in advance so there was no "funny business", I have heard NOTHING back on Format of the wager, NOTHING.

IF, and I am not saying he is backing down, its entirley possible he is busy with day to day items that need his attention, so Im not going to assume I know why he hasnt replied, and contrary to my personal feelings I will as I do with everyone give him the benefit of the doubt.

IF though IF he does fail to follow through the gauntlet he has thrown, its on HIS Head, his alone. Not on mine, and I am willing and ready to continue it without him.

Cash talks bull**** walks....I am willing to 100% BACKUP What I say 100% Right NOW ! If he isnt well then I am sure he will come up with some self justification excuse that I wasnt serious, or this that or the other. Not my problem, I am putting this out for anyone to participate in that would like, seems like a good thing to do.

The more I think about it, the more I think that OTHERS who wish to participate should NOT be held to the $1000 that John suggested and I agreed to IF he would make the Terms clear.

Instead, why not this ? John Irving and I put up $1000 Each, ANYONE else who would like to run puts up a Minimum contribution of $100 , They can put up MORE if they choose, BUT it will be kept under wraps for privacy.

Only the "Stake Holder" will know who put up how much money. And he will then return as I said in the prior post the amount to the winner that they put in, or they can choose to simply donate it as well.

$1000 seems way too steep for some others, But I think others would be game for a lesser amount, they shouldnt be chased away from a $ perspective even though their intents are pure.

Childrens Cancer at a Non-Profit Hospital ? Where all the money goes direct ? No overhead ? I know of a couple orgizations in that arena.
Or better yet, a list where the Winner can choose from, I think thats reasonable. Well put some education on the list, some health, some humaintarian charities.

Seem reasonsable to me....

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

An education is still an education no matter what field you work in. Did you know that studies show that 86% of Americans don't know what came first. The Civil War or The Revolutionary War. That is sickoning to me. Even if you don't know time lines, as long as you know what the basis of what each one of them were about, then you could place which came first. YUK. Like I said before, I'm sure someone could recomend a kid who is deserving and will put that money to use educating him/herself. Or you could send your money to a nonprofit organization where the ceo makes a billion a year and 15% of your money goes to the cause. We all know this race won't ever happen, so whats the point of this thread anyway?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

An education is still an education no matter what field you work in. Did you know that studies show that 86% of Americans don't know what came first. The Civil War or The Revolutionary War. That is sickoning to me. Even if you don't know time lines, as long as you know what the basis of what each one of them were about, then you could place which came first. YUK. Like I said before, I'm sure someone could recomend a kid who is deserving and will put that money to use educating him/herself. Or you could send your money to a nonprofit organization where the ceo makes a billion a year and 15% of your money goes to the cause. We all know this race won't ever happen, so whats the point of this thread anyway?

What's the difference,the way they teach revisionist history in all public schools.Colleges are even worse.Ask kids today what Dec 7th means.Guaranteed you'll get a blank stare 8 or 9 time out of 10.
Have you heard what they teach NOW about Columbus's trip to America?
A basic education and some parental or otherwise adult guidance and common sense will get you a lot farther in life than a so called sheep skin in many cases.
I'm not the brightest bulb in the box,H.S. education.Got a job with Con Edison (at 27 yrs old).
I retired at 55 with a pension.Got So Sec at 62 and in April Medicare.I'm not rich but I'm doing OK.In the US thank God we have the OPPERTUNITY to go as far as we care to work for.

[GTX JOHN]

The boys and I will be at Pomona with cash in Hand! You know d*mn well we have only Dodge Aspen Wagon in stock. Were done talking but we WILL be at Pomona and Ready to race!!! Irving Family Racing proud to be sponsored by Glendora Dodge since 1994, the worlds greatest Direct Connection Dealership!

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

EXCELLENT !

No in all honesty I didnt actually think they made a 76 Aspen wagon......never gave it much thought, but I dont think Ive ever seen one, at least not that I recognized as an Aspen, I didnt think they made the smaller body in a wagon in 76, I also today for the first time learned what you meant by "Hit the tree" I thought you were talking about "Hitting the tree" in a subtle sense and redlighting, I didnt until today , actually see you HIT the TREE....thats ****s too funny.....just as easily coulda been me, well, I check and mark my lugs for torsional stress, axles too....maybe it would have happened to me maybe not.....

But like a poor marksman you keep MISSING the target. (Thats a line from one of my Favorite movies)

You say you will be there in Pomona , cash in Hand, but you havent agreed or even listed a format to follow ? Is it you intention to be vauge ? Or just an honest oversight.

I also now have another person that would like to participate, as well as a track in Texas WILL give us the track for the event, its only an 8th mile track but , if that fits your format when you decide , I / we are "worthy" to diclose your plan of the "Format" it to. Then maybe we can do it there, it will be between Pheonix and Gainesville, so even if were not at Pomona, we can jump over to TX before Gainesville.

I also offered to have someone hold the money NOW, no ideas on a 3rd party for that ? I dont want to enable you to put any more of your "stink" on what I will or will not do or Honor, so I thought this the most appropriate.

Im not walking into a blind bet , be SPECIFIC. I will not give you the opportunity to simply say "Well be there cash in hand" then try to claim or skew that I backed out when you try and throw some more bull**** format my way at the last minute in private, then try to skew as you always have here what I do or do not say. LIST IT HERE FOR ALL to SEE . IN ADVANCE......

BE CLEAR , If not I know someone who is an Attorney (and class racer you may know or may not) who may be willing to hold the stake, I havent asked him yet...but I figured if its my suggestion youll say its no good, yet YOU present no Option.....Present one, someone here of Charachter, and above reproach, I can think of several, should be easier for you.

I would preffer to put the money aside NOW, so you can raise no more doubts or FUD about my intentions.

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

The boys and I will be at Pomona with cash in Hand! You know d*mn well we have only Dodge Aspen Wagon in stock. Were done talking but we WILL be at Pomona and Ready to race!!! Irving Family Racing proud to be sponsored by Glendora Dodge since 1994, the worlds greatest Direct Connection Dealership!

[rayfin]

"Or you could send your money to a nonprofit organization where the ceo makes a billion a year and 15% of your money goes to the cause."

That's kind how I feel about charites. There are homeless people all over the USA that people walk right past every day. I was there when I was young.

[herbjr]

A charity I'm doing some work for.

B.R.A.K.E.S.

putonthebrakes.org

Doug Herbert's charity. Good charity run by good people and the money goes to the right places.

Herb Jr

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

The boys and I will be at Pomona with cash in Hand! You know d*mn well we have only Dodge Aspen Wagon in stock. Were done talking but we WILL be at Pomona and Ready to race!!! Irving Family Racing proud to be sponsored by Glendora Dodge since 1994, the worlds greatest Direct Connection Dealership!

This is unfortunate, I thought there was potential in this to do something good, but you have yet to respond. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you may have been busy with other life duties and that was the reason for you silence, but you continued to post into the wee hours, skirting this issue.

I have no love lost for you, you
A) Called me a LIAR and then for your OWN motivations tried to Say I said something in a PM I didnt, So I posted it for the world to see. It can be found here.
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...nsatity&page=5
Halfway down the page, my response is on the following page.
And that after I had decided to give you the benefit of the doubt after you had already attacked me personally and explain why things are the way they are with us......sad....

B)Tried to infer I said "Dumbass Hillbilly Welfare Stock Racers who should go back to Bracket Racing ..... according to some of the rich boy's posts I read this Week " I never said any such thing, it obvious you pratice revisionist interpretation, but then you even lacked the bacbone after I asked you several times to clarify and correct that, as I never said or inferred it. Rather you would preffer for your own motive to leave it as FUD out there without commenting on it.....My PM even addressed this very same item.......unfortunate.

C)Tried to claim IN ADVANCE of even making the Wager, "How about one more wager that you will never show up to HONOR? My kid will bracket race you in his no name 76 Dodge against you personally in your Big Buck Hero car and loser donates $1,000. to American Red Cross...We could probably do that in a time trial at Pomona or Phoenix." , I accepted your proposal in concept immediatley, and am still waiting, as are others who think youll never go through with it for a response as to Format and Venue....simple

Those are the big 3 items as I see them, BUT you STILL FAIL to Man Up and Post for ALL to SEE a Format for the Wager , instead your answer of "The boys and I will be at Pomona with cash in Hand! " Is a chicken way to avoid someone who has called you. Show me your cards, Im calling you.

This will be the last post on this item unless you respond

A) With a FAIR Format
B) With a Stakeholder for BOTH of us to entrust the FUNDS TO NOW

Any REASONABLE person can see that those are fair and quite forthright and should clear any confusion to someone backing out.

Unless others wish to participate in some racing for Charity, it would be unfortunate to continue without you since in the beggining it was YOUR Idea....but well manage Im sure.

This is a little game I like to play called shine the light on the cockroaches and see who scatters.

I have an idea from the tone of your previous posts and the air in which you think others should shut up, bow and follow your are one of those failed playground bullies who after he gets his nose broke is the first to run and call for the teacher, no matter.

I CHOOSE to Allow ALL to see here IF you Respond or try to weasel out of it by some bull**** blanket statement , Once again sounding like the failed playground bully when challenged to a fight of..."The boys and I will be at Pomona with cash in Hand!"

Not good enough John, not good enough for me, not good enough for the others who would like to see your response, not good for your defenders who wont understand why you still evade something YOU raised, and not good enough for your detractors who tell me youll never respond or actually do it.

They say you cant stand to be proved wrong and will still grasp and claim you were right all along, oh well, Im giving you the opportunity and the public format to show that thats not true......Dont forget it was YOUR Accusation of several items that you put yourself in this postition, man up , own the mistake and ACT.

Give me a Format and a Couple of Choices of Stake Holders so I can choose. I have a couple I will nominate, if they Choose to Participate if you are at a loss. If they will I dont know, but Id preffer to see if any are on your list, dont forget, this ones on you John, for you to Shine, or Slither as you see fit.

All reasonable items to any reasonable person whos motive and intent is straightforward and not some bull**** ploy to elevate themselves.

Cheers

Chris

P.S. I will be busy until about 4 p.m I have to run to Summit and grab a couple last minute items and spares, and put the engine in, so while i check this from my phone, its a pain to respond, so dont "Assume" as you like to do any answer after 4 is me trying to pull a GTX JOHN and Skirt the issue.....

Besides Ive got to get new batteries for my flashlight all this playing shine the light on the cockroaches has drained them. As well as a new battery for my calipers, trying repeatedly to measure a mans charachter when I can only go so small as to 0 them out has worn those out as well.....

[treessavoy]

Charity?
How about charity for stock racers.

JimR

[Harry 6674]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

What's the difference,the way they teach revisionist history in all public schools.Colleges are even worse.Ask kids today what Dec 7th means.Guaranteed you'll get a blank stare 8 or 9 time out of 10.
Have you heard what they teach NOW about Columbus's trip to America?
A basic education and some parental or otherwise adult guidance and common sense will get you a lot farther in life than a so called sheep skin in many cases.
I'm not the brightest bulb in the box,H.S. education.Got a job with Con Edison (at 27 yrs old).
I retired at 55 with a pension.Got So Sec at 62 and in April Medicare.I'm not rich but I'm doing OK.In the US thank God we have the OPPERTUNITY to go as far as we care to work for.

I agree totally Ed. Education today is a joke and so are most of the people doing the teaching. Education has been taken over by the long haired hippys of the 60s I used to try to get my hands on. I think their still on the same dope now as they were then. I could at least make change when I graduated, now they seem to struggle with that even. Not all of course but most. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. Who was that that said Those That Can Do, Those That Can't Teach?

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Thanks Jim