Eliminate AHFS

[SDmopar]

It seems as the majority of us here want to keep the sovereignty of Class racing alive. If the Automatic system was cancelled how could the Sanctioning bodies rate evaluate HP ratings? It seems that the majority hate the bogus combos and ratings on new combinations. Everyone wants to be able to run wide open without penalties. People also have combos that have been murdered and are no longer competitive. Personally I like a system that looks at the data. It?s the most unbiased constant way that requires the least amount of energy for the sanctioning body. I feel the real hole in the current system is it only corrects the softer combos or penalizes the players that make there stuff fast. I could be convinced that if the top 3 cars in each combo can go -1.30 they should get hp. I also believe if the 3 fastest cars in a combo can?t go -1 under they should get a reduction. When the fastest meet in class it?s obvious who has the hp rating advantage.

Throw up some ideas. But keep in mind there is a car coming to play that everyone is concerned with it?s ratings. How do you balance the new bogus numbers with the combos that got crushed early because someone thought they needed HP.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by SDmopar

Throw up some ideas. But keep in mind there is a car coming to play that everyone is concerned with it?s ratings. How do you balance the new bogus numbers with the combos that got crushed early because someone thought they needed HP.

You literally race a combination that dominated until it didn't. Send me your address and I'll ship you some Kleenex....

[SDmopar]

No Kleenex needed here. I personally have no issues with new combinations getting brought in. I find it amusing when people have a combination of completely aftermarket engine complaining about what others are running or how it?s rated. I appreciate your builds and in no way am trying to bash what you do. My question is post is simply what are some ideas to rate combinations. Let?s go back to original HP ratings with no penalties? Honestly that would be amazing for some and not for other's. I?d be ok with it but my combo would be one of the most bogus out there. I can run well up here in the crap conditions we have and I?m proud of what I?ve been able to get out of it as currently rated. It just seems much like society we want our cake and eat it to.

[DG]

Originally Posted by SDmopar

No Kleenex needed here. I personally have no issues with new combinations getting brought in. I find it amusing when people have a combination of completely aftermarket engine complaining about what others are running or how it?s rated. I appreciate your builds and in no way am trying to bash what you do. My question is post is simply what are some ideas to rate combinations. Let?s go back to original HP ratings with no penalties? Honestly that would be amazing for some and not for other's. I?d be ok with it but my combo would be one of the most bogus out there. I can run well up here in the crap conditions we have and I?m proud of what I?ve been able to get out of it as currently rated. It just seems much like society we want our cake and eat it to.

I remember running 4th generation Camaro's and Pontiacs heads up in H/SA. It wasn't pretty.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by SDmopar

No Kleenex needed here. I personally have no issues with new combinations getting brought in. I find it amusing when people have a combination of completely aftermarket engine complaining about what others are running or how it?s rated. I appreciate your builds and in no way am trying to bash what you do. My question is post is simply what are some ideas to rate combinations. Let?s go back to original HP ratings with no penalties? Honestly that would be amazing for some and not for other's. I?d be ok with it but my combo would be one of the most bogus out there. I can run well up here in the crap conditions we have and I?m proud of what I?ve been able to get out of it as currently rated. It just seems much like society we want our cake and eat it to.

I hear Ya. Know that I am just picking, so nothing harsh meant.

At the house I have a monster collection of old magazines from the sixties and early seventies. The argument was much the same back then. I really don't know that there is a good answer. I do know that you will never make everyone happy.

[James Perrone]

GUMP you gotta be kidding me. LT1 Chevy is soft
Hasn’t been for quite a while
Really ?
How soft is that Mr Softy machine called.a Nissan Supra gonna be?
I haven?t seen you race anything that wasn?t real soft until it wasn?t
Like me when I with my wife, I get hard cause it?s all natural not underrated
And yes, I?m a little jealous that you are able to race really nice expensive cars. I only wish I could have.

[Jack McCarthy]

As the ?enhancements? advanced it has been hard for most to anticipate the effect say of duration / springs ?? A L88 not as much as say a 283 ??
So by allowing each and every whiny enhancement they created the -1.75 cars

No one in NHRA had the knowledge to police it (maybe only 2-5 people in country) sooo they put in place the Automatic Help for Slugs ? and we all know how great that works last 10 Indy?s it?s been virgin hp trucks or -30hp 302 fffords on top and NONE of them have taken HP hits

Only solution I see is NHRA get off thier wallets and hire some motor builders to review all hp adjustments ????

Or we just sell the fastest qualifier spots to the heavyweight wallets

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

GUMP you gotta be kidding me. LT1 Chevy is soft
Hasn?t been for quite a while

My first Stocker was a 1995 Formula that I purchased new. It currently has 000186 miles on the odometer and is a 1-of-1 car. I ran it exclusively in the IHRA and even set a few records with it. So, I am familiar with the history of the LT1.

By the time I quit racing that car it was pretty competetive. I wouldn't even consider running it in Stock Eliminator now.

[Cglrcng]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

GUMP you gotta be kidding me. LT1 Chevy is soft
Hasn?t been for quite a while
Really ?
How soft is that Mr Softy machine called.a Nissan Supra gonna be?
I haven?t seen you race anything that wasn?t real soft until it wasn?t
Like me when I with my wife, I get hard cause it?s all natural not underrated
And yes, I?m a little jealous that you are able to race really nice expensive cars. I only wish I could have.

James, envy is never a great look. Let us all be glad and satisfied when all still healthy and wealthy enough to keep playing this game.

Buying a brand new pr of FWD slicks and bogart wheels 2 weeks ago from a great fellow class racer up here in Oregon who has the car in the garage ready to go racing, his pocket still full enough to give me a good deal, wants instead to race with them on his car instead of mine...but cannot be licensed currently by NHRA as he is currently on blood thinners, makes me greatful beyond mention to still be healthy enough to even play the game. And that he thought enough of me to consider how they can help me, even while he is sidelined.

Lots of people will always have more toys to play with. The Good Lord has blessed us all...let's go racin'!

And I pray he can get back in the game soon! Darin...Mr. Poole go get em and make em fast.

[SDT1DYI]

How about two Stock Eliminator classes for each current class.
One class is called Top Stock .
You choose to run your car in Top/Stock or Regular Stock class. Class
Same rules, weight breaks ladders etc.
Only difference is Top Stock cars indexes are 1.0 LOWER.
Fast guys can keep it Matted.
Top Stock races a Regular Stock same class , it's a dial a number race.
Top Stock car races a same class Top Stock car, first car to the stripe wins.

Just an Idea..
Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620/7888