Run Stock/Super Stock like Comp??

[Justin Graham]

I understand there are racers unhappy with the AHFS. However, no one really proposes a solution other than just "get rid of it."

Doug, I disagree. Below are a few of the possible solutions that have been discussed between NHRA and the SRA:

>Bring back the mineshaft rule
>Increase the review trigger to -1.2 under
>Raise the AHFS HP trigger to -1.0 under average
>Waive the AHFS during all class runoffs
>Lower indexes
>Provide incentives for top qualiiers such as lane choice

I would support any of these solutions. Unfortunately, NHRA hasn't made adjustments and seems to think the AHFS is working well in its current form.

Darin Grossi

A few points in Darin’s post hinted at something I was sleeping on last night and thought I’d pose the question to catch opinions of other racers.

Would it make sense, or could it be possibly done, to run Stk/SS in a similar format that Competition Eliminator is running? Basically placing the brunt of the excessive number under on the driver, not the Combo. So it doesn’t penalize the masses, just the offender.

I’m not saying it’s a solution, I’m not a multi decade veteran, but I thought it’s a start to some sort of discussion on an issue that seems to be happening yearly. Kinda sucks when an entire combo is affected by a singular agenda.

[JGrossijr]

Originally Posted by Justin Graham

Basically placing the brunt of the excessive number under on the driver, not the Combo. So it doesn?t penalize the masses, just the offender.

Justin,
With all due respect, we're racing in a performance category. How does outperforming your competition with the same combination get considered excessive or make one an offender? That's what class racing is all about, and its what a lot of us multi decade veterans live for.
In my book that racer deserves 2 things - A teardown, and recognition of accomplisment if legal.
Performance should be incentivised, not punished.

[GUMP]

That concept would be a hard NO for me.

[Justin Graham]

Originally Posted by JGrossijr

Justin,
With all due respect, we're racing in a performance category. How does outperforming your competition with the same combination get considered excessive or make one an offender? That's what class racing is all about, and its what a lot of us multi decade veterans live for.
In my book that racer deserves 2 things - A teardown, and recognition of accomplisment if legal.
Performance should be incentivised, not punished.

I find it interesting that a class like Comp, which is very performance oriented, had this concept put on it and was just curious if it would work for Stk/SS. I'm all for getting maximum effort out of our Combos. Every point Darin made, would clearly be more ideal.Totally agree with you Jim, teardown and recognition are greater. I'm trashing my spitball kit now

[Mike Pearson]

There is a huge difference between super stock/ stock and comp eliminator. Comp is a flat out first to the finish line category. They do have index's but have no break out in effect. The fields in comp are very small in comparison to stock and super stock. The cost to race a competitive comp car is much higher and much more difficult. Comp is in a much worse situation than stock and super stock as far as the health of the overall class.
I think there was less than 10 comp cars at the division race in Orlando a couple of weeks ago. Last week at the baby gators there was less than 15. Last I checked there is 17 comp cars entered in the Gatornationals. Most of us dont want stock and Super Stock to end up like Comp Eliminator.

[Billy Hampton]

So, a return to "first one to the finish line wins" is not wanted? When my dad ran, it was off the records and no break-out, Class Racing, not "bracket racing".

You could do this today by implementing a strict HP factoring system to automatically factor all runs for a season, (and get EVERY combination corrected to about -1.1). NHRA could reset to "even this out" for all combos so, no more break outs, no more ridiculously under-factored combos, etc.

THEN you could run- no breakout to the finish line.
You could always have a bracket race combo event if you don't want to compete in a performance based event. I bet all the races would be within a few hundredths after this was allowed to "run-in" for a couple of seasons.

Accurate HP factors would return Stock and SS to its true roots.

[Bill Grubbs]

Originally Posted by Billy Hampton

So, a return to "first one to the finish line wins" is not wanted? When my dad ran, it was off the records and no break-out, Class Racing, not "bracket racing"..

AND... Stock and SuperStock almost died! How many budget cars are in Comp? Hint...none. If you want to run Comp then I'm all for it...go run Comp!

[Pete Beau]

Originally Posted by Justin Graham

A few points in Darin?s post hinted at something I was sleeping on last night and thought I?d pose the question to catch opinions of other racers.

Would it make sense, or could it be possibly done, to run Stk/SS in a similar format that Competition Eliminator is running? Basically placing the brunt of the excessive number under on the driver, not the Combo. So it doesn?t penalize the masses, just the offender.

I?m not saying it?s a solution, I?m not a multi decade veteran, but I thought it?s a start to some sort of discussion on an issue that seems to be happening yearly. Kinda sucks when an entire combo is affected by a singular agenda.

Administrative nightmare. NHRA has already diluted tech. to minimum. They would not want the headache.