So, what should happen to

[Billy Nees]

Jimmy Alund? He's entered as a 70 Nova and it's definitely a 68-69. I've heard the stories about Racers being tossed for such things BUT I don't know of anybody who has personally been tossed.
The cars are about the same but the engine combos are different.
Slap him on the wrist or toss him out?

[Lenny5160]

Seems like a stupid, inconsequential thing to be tossed over, but I don't know what the letter of the law is on these things. This is why I asked the initial question on the other thread. I knew Holroyd had raced the car as a '70 so the taillights caught my eye and I went to check the entry list.

I've heard of people changing bodywork to convert a car to another year with a more favorable combination. I'm pretty sure if he put the 402 combination in a '67 Chevy II, it would be a completely different discussion! I just don't know where the line is drawn.

[Todd Bailey]

I started out with a '70 body to build as a G automatic to run with the '69 255. I e-mailed many questions to Wesley(D4) and he said it shouldn't be an issue, as there is really
only a minor difference. When I get it to the track, I may get scrutinized for it.

[Chuck Norton]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Jimmy Alund? He's entered as a 70 Nova and it's definitely a 68-69. I've heard the stories about Racers being tossed for such things BUT I don't know of anybody who has personally been tossed.
The cars are about the same but the engine combos are different.
Slap him on the wrist or toss him out?

What would Marty and Greg do?

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

What would Marty and Greg do?

He would at least be tossed for the event.

Alan, I understand the difference between the year claimed and the class. I also know the differences between the 69 and 70 engines.
I guess the biggest problem that I have with it is that the class DOES change as does the engine combo and right now he's not legally either.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Jimmy Alund? He's entered as a 70 Nova and it's definitely a 68-69. I've heard the stories about Racers being tossed for such things BUT I don't know of anybody who has personally been tossed.
The cars are about the same but the engine combos are different.
Slap him on the wrist or toss him out?

Billy,
The problem is that the car needs to be entered as a 1968 to run AA/A, as a 1970, it can't legally make the class, a 1970 is a natural B car. A few years back, they DQ'd a racer for this exact infraction, a 1970 Nova in AA/SA. Had he entered it as a 1968, he'd have been fine, but he made the error and then made qualifying passes.

I suppose an absolute purist could make the case that the tail lights and possibly the marker lights, and maybe even a grille, would be grounds for a DQ. I'm not sure I'd go there, we may not even have a tech guy in every division that knew enough to make the call. Is that sort of thing something we really want to do?

I can agree with having to claim the correct year if it determines the ability to make a class.

I can even agree that in some cases substantial trim differences are grounds for a DQ. I don't think you should race a 68 Camaro as a 67, or the reverse. I don't think that even though the grille and tail lights are the big differences between a 68 and a 69 Chevelle that you should race one as the other. I had a guy tell me that he was told you could run a 69 300 Deluxe post Chevelle with a 427/425, I don't think that's right, either.

In the end, I think we need to think long and hard about what we ask for here.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Luke Bogacki is a very well respected racer that was tossed at Brainerd a few seasons ago for basically the same infraction. I am sure Mr Alund will not be dealt with as harshly. What would Marty and Gred do.......You are outta here !! As Alan stated , this goes beyond tail lights and grille, he is claiming the wrong year for the class.....

[Carguy49]

This same car was entered at Pomona 2015 (Winternationals) as an A/S car (70 model) by Clark Holroyd. What is the problem now and why wasn't it addressed much sooner?? How long has this car been run AS IS??

[GTOMayhem]

Somebody last year was DQ'd for having the wrong bumper supports on a Firebird, 72 vs 73, if I remember correctly.

Rick Thomason
GTOMayhem

[Ron Ortiz]

If you are one of the lucky individuals that have a car that can be converted to another year with a couple of tail lights and/or trim, then you should have to adhere to the rules specifically.

I've had to scour junkyards in Commerce, GA to get a 2bbl carb air filter hold down bolt to continue competition the next day of eliminations at The Southerns.

So I would have to concur that the correct tail lights should be used.

Back in the old days the violators would be flogged, tar & feathered, or forced to walk the plank.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA its not who you know ...........