Indy Tear Down

Jeff Teuton · 09-12-2013, 10:02 PM

It was not what you would call an exciting day. We tore down one V10 (BB/SA) and one 6.1 Hemi (A/S). All OK. Nothing worth a discussion (that means we left some). But in my observation when I took a break from checking head gaskets for NHRA (just trying to be helpful) there were a couple of things that made no sense. There was a 440-6 Challenger B/SA, Div 5 car, qualified middle of the pack in the always popular B/SA, lost first round. It had the old steel heads (some new Edlebrocks were allowed recently). Why in the world was that car there? And your astute reporter noticed some other stuff that one must wonder just what are the qualifications for teardown; go fast (not in that instance), win class (not in that instance), got some new parts (no 1970 ain't new parts). And there were several other cars that I don't really know what was to be learned from taking them apart. Then in Super Stock in SS/DA which we have a car in, Allen Wade (might be Alan) 69 Camaro 396 (I guess), Div 3, beautiful car, qualified No 5 in a 5 car field. Lost first round of class. What's the point? I mean a 69 Camaro. How many 69 Camaros have been looked at; how many that did not run to the front. And not very fast on that day. (Sorry Alan). Everyone was very courtious (and so was I), and that's a job with all that iron apart in the hot weather. Seems there would be some sort of logical order to this stuff. I just don't understand the purpose to take down the low qualifiers or folks that didn't even runner up in class. Of course like Forrest says, ' I'm not a smart man'. But I do know what smart is. Someone help me in my time of mental distress. I guess next year all 5 will come down. And I must report that everyone's head gasket was ok.

boster · 09-13-2013, 07:38 AM

Jeff , how about this one , car win's class SS/AAA and goes more then 1.25 under the index . Get's the index hit 2 tenths and does not have to tear down . Whats up with that ?

Dave Casey · 09-13-2013, 08:38 AM

I like the way they do it, it is random, and that way racers never know and will not manipulate the system to their advantage. You just gotta assume that you will be in teardown and if not then you get a day to relax. There has never been a test ,be it goin fast or whatever that got you into the barn. The closest thing was when all class winners were taken apart 10-20 years ago.

Jeff Teuton · 09-13-2013, 09:34 AM

Dave, I understand your point and it is well taken. But I must disagree. Unlike Obama, there should now be some rhyme or reason to do anything. There are virtually no inspections other than National Records or protests. If the car has little or no effect on the class or eliminations, then there is no point. And as pointed out by booster, anytime something like that occurs (1.20 under), there should be an inspection. I fully understand the new parts, new total car, new motor (like the new 426) where 1 passed and 1 failed, or if someone is playing games out there inspections are the aforementioned 'rhyme or reason' to tear someone down. I don't mean this as a fault of NHRA or anyone involved, but it is 2013 and even I have to change (according to my wife anyway). I also understand there must be regulation because it would be "Racers Gone Wild" if there wasn't. Must be some middle ground here somewhere. I missed a whole half day of drinking beer and visiting because of that. Whole Half Day. "English Gone Wild'.

GTX5877 · 09-13-2013, 09:47 AM

I was always under the assumption they wanted to see what 'stock' really looked like

Wade_Owens · 09-13-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GTX5877

I was always under the assumption they wanted to see what 'stock' really looked like

Now remember, "stock" is different from factory! LOL!!

Wade

Bobby Fazio · 09-13-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by boster

Jeff , how about this one , car win's class SS/AAA and goes more then 1.25 under the index . Get's the index hit 2 tenths and does not have to tear down . Whats up with that ?

I think anytime index or HP rating is going to be affected, mandatory teardown should commence.

art leong · 09-13-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fazio

I think anytime index or HP rating is going to be affected, mandatory teardown should commence.

At Gainesville I went 1.26 under fast enough to get 2 tenths off my index. Drove right to Danny Gracia after weighing and fuel check. Fully figuring to get checked. My car is only fifteen minutes work for the teardown crew half hour to 40 minutes for me, just pump it and measure wheelbase and overhang.
He told me he would let me know the next day (during eliminations?). I checked back with him the next day he said no tear down.

Toby Lang · 09-15-2013, 03:54 PM

Mr. Teuton,

I'm not sure what all your old English teacher had to say, but I just have one word for you: paragraphs. I love reading your posts, but they would be much easier to read if you broke them up a bit with some paragraphs. Don't be afraid to hit the enter key a couple of times in a row.

Also, while I'm at it, and this is directed to no one in particular, it's spelled congraTulations, not congraDulations.

That is all.

Jim Wahl · 09-15-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Lang

Mr. Teuton,

Also, while I'm at it, and this is directed to no one in particular, it's spelled congraTulations, not congraDulations.

That is all.

A man after my own heart!! Jim

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09-12-2013, 10:02 PM	#1
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Indy Tear Down It was not what you would call an exciting day. We tore down one V10 (BB/SA) and one 6.1 Hemi (A/S). All OK. Nothing worth a discussion (that means we left some). But in my observation when I took a break from checking head gaskets for NHRA (just trying to be helpful) there were a couple of things that made no sense. There was a 440-6 Challenger B/SA, Div 5 car, qualified middle of the pack in the always popular B/SA, lost first round. It had the old steel heads (some new Edlebrocks were allowed recently). Why in the world was that car there? And your astute reporter noticed some other stuff that one must wonder just what are the qualifications for teardown; go fast (not in that instance), win class (not in that instance), got some new parts (no 1970 ain't new parts). And there were several other cars that I don't really know what was to be learned from taking them apart. Then in Super Stock in SS/DA which we have a car in, Allen Wade (might be Alan) 69 Camaro 396 (I guess), Div 3, beautiful car, qualified No 5 in a 5 car field. Lost first round of class. What's the point? I mean a 69 Camaro. How many 69 Camaros have been looked at; how many that did not run to the front. And not very fast on that day. (Sorry Alan). Everyone was very courtious (and so was I), and that's a job with all that iron apart in the hot weather. Seems there would be some sort of logical order to this stuff. I just don't understand the purpose to take down the low qualifiers or folks that didn't even runner up in class. Of course like Forrest says, ' I'm not a smart man'. But I do know what smart is. Someone help me in my time of mental distress. I guess next year all 5 will come down. And I must report that everyone's head gasket was ok. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

09-13-2013, 07:38 AM	#2
boster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: usa Posts: 958 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down Jeff , how about this one , car win's class SS/AAA and goes more then 1.25 under the index . Get's the index hit 2 tenths and does not have to tear down . Whats up with that ? __________________ Bo Kenney

09-13-2013, 08:38 AM	#3
Dave Casey VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampden, MA Posts: 1,201 Likes: 233 Liked 774 Times in 164 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down I like the way they do it, it is random, and that way racers never know and will not manipulate the system to their advantage. You just gotta assume that you will be in teardown and if not then you get a day to relax. There has never been a test ,be it goin fast or whatever that got you into the barn. The closest thing was when all class winners were taken apart 10-20 years ago. __________________ Dave Casey 1330 STK

09-13-2013, 09:34 AM	#4
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down Dave, I understand your point and it is well taken. But I must disagree. Unlike Obama, there should now be some rhyme or reason to do anything. There are virtually no inspections other than National Records or protests. If the car has little or no effect on the class or eliminations, then there is no point. And as pointed out by booster, anytime something like that occurs (1.20 under), there should be an inspection. I fully understand the new parts, new total car, new motor (like the new 426) where 1 passed and 1 failed, or if someone is playing games out there inspections are the aforementioned 'rhyme or reason' to tear someone down. I don't mean this as a fault of NHRA or anyone involved, but it is 2013 and even I have to change (according to my wife anyway). I also understand there must be regulation because it would be "Racers Gone Wild" if there wasn't. Must be some middle ground here somewhere. I missed a whole half day of drinking beer and visiting because of that. Whole Half Day. "English Gone Wild'. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

09-13-2013, 09:47 AM	#5
GTX5877 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Albert Lea, MN Posts: 52 Likes: 3 Liked 20 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Indy Tear Down I was always under the assumption they wanted to see what 'stock' really looked like

09-15-2013, 03:54 PM	#9
Toby Lang VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 2,133 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 1 Post	Re: Indy Tear Down Mr. Teuton, I'm not sure what all your old English teacher had to say, but I just have one word for you: paragraphs. I love reading your posts, but they would be much easier to read if you broke them up a bit with some paragraphs. Don't be afraid to hit the enter key a couple of times in a row. Also, while I'm at it, and this is directed to no one in particular, it's spelled congraTulations, not congraDulations. That is all.