How competitive are you?

[Dick Butler]

Would you build a car and race if only 4 classes existed? Would you race if you had to run the same thing others race to fit a class? or is your competitive feeling a cheaper car that can win on a dial in rather than heads up being faster, quicker, more able to drive than another on the tree?
If NHRA or (?) held races which were planned to feature Heads up 3 or 4 class races to increase the crowd appeal would you support the concept or? for the good of class racing?
Hold off on the money comments about people who can afford more expensive cars. Consider a less expensive car but the SAME cars in one class.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Would you build a car and race if only 4 classes existed? Would you race if you had to run the same thing others race to fit a class? or is your competitive feeling a cheaper car that can win on a dial in rather than heads up being faster, quicker, more able to drive than another on the tree?
If NHRA or (?) held races which were planned to feature Heads up 3 or 4 class races to increase the crowd appeal would you support the concept or? for the good of class racing?
Hold off on the money comments about people who can afford more expensive cars. Consider a less expensive car but the SAME cars in one class.

The definition of insanity goes something like this, "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".
Question 1, yes, I'd race a wheelbarrow full of rocks if that's all we could race.
Question 2, yes, if I had to but this is a trick question. Is everybody racing the SAME thing and using the SAME rules? I doubt it.
Question 3, I don't see what you're asking.
Question 4, isn't that what the ADRL, etc, etc, is doing? You want to increase crowd appeal? Have the drivers stand on top of their cars, light themselves on fire and scream "look at me". See if you can get Michael Beard to explain "International Pro Stock to you.

[Michael Beard]

How competitive are you?

Depends on the day.

See if you can get Michael Beard to explain "International Pro Stock to you.

Just off the top of my head, if I recall, it's basically small-motor Pro Stock with rules like the K/A Comp class. Every manufacturer makes a car and engine combination that fits. "Real" cars that everyday people buy the standard production car versions of. Wide variety, countless options, and modern technology applicable to their factory counterparts develops a broader interest from builders, engineers, and fan base alike.

Ive always thought group A B C Together D E F , G H I , and so on and so on. More heads up races.

I've long advocated for a logical consolidation and/or adjustment of weight breaks, and integration of sticks & automatics for the same reason. There'd still be plenty of bracket racing, but more heads-up racing would lead to more research and development, more sales for manufacturers, and a more effective AHFS. -- Delicious irony, coming from a bracket racer! LOL

Would you build a car and race if only 4 classes existed?

Depends on what they were and what format. If it wasn't my thing, and there was a market for additional classes or types of racing, then I would create the desired class(es) and format myself to fill that hole in the market.

If NHRA or (?) held races which were planned to feature Heads up 3 or 4 class races to increase the crowd appeal would you support the concept or? for the good of class racing?

Anyone that's been here for any length of time understands what you're getting at. No need to beat around the bush. Just offer the detailed proposal, and go from there.

[Dave Ribeiro]

Dick,

Don't you think the sport is dying fast enough for you !!!! What about the little guy who still wants to race but doesn't have the Big bucks ... Your seeing the car counts going down fast enough without heads-up Racing ?
I think it's time for you to get another idea like AHRA ( heads-up only ), hope you have lots of money ???? Give it a Rest, when is your Racecar coming out to the Track anyway ???... Billy, you are Right On Again !!!!!
I think racers would like to see Sticks & Auto combined first and see how that goes ? Remember Car counts are important to all kinds of Racing, when it comes to pay-outs ... Let's try to help Racing, not kill it ....

[Bob Bender]

X2, Dave

[RonTheAnnouncer]

IHRA tried something like that in the pre-Bader years. Got rid of Stock, Superstock, Modified, etc, and made .90 classes from 7.90 to 12.90. It didn't go so well in the end. If you are talking true "heads up" no breakout racing, then each class will become the playground of maybe 1/2 dozen cars, and the rest of the guys will park their cars or go buy a boat or take up golf.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by RonTheAnnouncer

IHRA tried something like that in the pre-Bader years. Got rid of Stock, Superstock, Modified, etc, and made .90 classes from 7.90 to 12.90. It didn't go so well in the end. If you are talking true "heads up" no breakout racing, then each class will become the playground of maybe 1/2 dozen cars, and the rest of the guys will park their cars or go buy a boat or take up golf.

That was during the "Little Billy" Meyer's rein.....

[MAURICE BLENDHEIM]

Originally Posted by Dave Ribeiro

Dick,

Don't you think the sport is dying fast enough for you !!!! What about the little guy who still wants to race but doesn't have the Big bucks ... Your seeing the car counts going down fast enough without heads-up Racing ?
I think it's time for you to get another idea like AHRA ( heads-up only ), hope you have lots of money ???? Give it a Rest, when is your Racecar coming out to the Track anyway ???... Billy, you are Right On Again !!!!!
I think racers would like to see Sticks & Auto combined first and see how that goes ? Remember Car counts are important to all kinds of Racing, when it comes to pay-outs ... Let's try to help Racing, not kill it ....

Dave...Please describe "the little guy" and "Bug bucks" for me. Are you satisfied with just about anything becoming part of the so called car count?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by MAURICE BLENDHEIM

Dave...Please describe "the little guy" and "Bug bucks" for me. Are you satisfied with just about anything becoming part of the so called car count?

Maurice, it is interesting that you are calling Dave as regards to "car count" when your agenda is to get rid of heads-up runs and turn the class into a bracket race in lieu of a performance based class.

[Dick Butler]

Unfortunately everyone of us has to admit an agenda. Some want a place to race a $500 car with more costly cars so we can be part of the NHRA show. Some cannot afford to create the most competitve "any class " car. Some of us can afford VERY expensive cars, Car haulers, Motor homes etc. Some just want to keep the same car we had for 40 years and cannot imagine changing for the long term good of the WHOLE Stock or SS racing. Some of us no longer run a car for x reason or the other but still watch the same upsets, same whining, same lack of action by the NHRA but the continued love for the sport. When I watch Snow Mobiles as part of the "Show" at an NHRA event it is soooo Obvious to me that if you will pay to bring it to the track, THAT is the agenda of NHRA. Entry Money.
Lack of spectators, Lack of Sponsors, Lack of advertising is all much less important if the entry pays the bills.
Without Someone, Something doing it 180degrees different payouts, Sponsors, Spectators, Fairness of rules will be absent and everyone will pass away wishing it could have been......
Thus my continued Honest interest in these discussions...and my support for changes which will leave the racing better than it is today for everyone involved.