Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TECH gu

Charley Downing · 05-01-2012, 09:47 AM

Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TECH guys

How can a combo get automatic hp when these things don’t happen after a run?
No fuel check when it’s not mandatory
No scale when it’s not mandatory
No teardown

I am not saying that I would not have passed all these things or that my combo did not need hp. All I am saying what is stopping someone from putting a big inch motor or pulling weight in a car and getting someone else's combo auto HP? Example I barrow some ones 1970 350 camaro run 1.00 under in qualifying and first round I pull out 300 pounds and red light. I run 1.30 and never scale, fuel check or teardown. How mad would greg hill be then?

art leong · 05-01-2012, 09:58 AM

Charlie I'll give you a better example.
In the short 3 day events They run qualifying, class, and up to 3 rounds of the eliminator in one day.
I know some motors came with zippers. But tell me how they could possibly tear anyone down?

Sean Cour · 05-01-2012, 10:11 AM

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Mike Carr · 05-01-2012, 10:17 AM

I believe the same thing happened a few years ago in Houston at a LODRS. Fred Henson redlighted in round 1, ran 9.89 in A/SA, and got the street Hemi in the B-body (??) hit for it. Never scaled, fuel checked or tore down. Not saying Fred, or Charley, were doing anything fishy, but it's hardly fair to add HP to a combo without checking ANYTHING.

I always felt (and have heard that in some Divisions it does) that any car that gets automatic HP for -1.200 or more should be torn down automatically to insure all is accurate.

jmcarter · 05-01-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr

I believe the same thing happened a few years ago in Houston at a LODRS. Fred Henson redlighted in round 1, ran 9.89 in A/SA, and got the street Hemi in the B-body (??) hit for it. Never scaled, fuel checked or tore down. Not saying Fred, or Charley, were doing anything fishy, but it's hardly fair to add HP to a combo without checking ANYTHING.

I always felt (and have heard that in some Divisions it does) that any car that gets automatic HP for -1.200 or more should be torn down automatically to insure all is accurate.

Pretty sure Fred's run got the E-body hit so there was a long period before the combo got back on parity with the other "traditional" A cars...agree with you guys 1000%

Robert Simpson · 05-01-2012, 10:05 AM

Charley, I have asked this question for years. How can you give anyone HP without checking them? I know several people who have torn there car down after running hard enough to get automatic HP. But they volunteer to do it! I have always believed that anyone run fast enough to get HP on Monday should be required to tear down! I do not care how late it is. If they refuse then they get suspendend for one year, and they have to tear down before there first race back. If you lose the round run fast enough and go around the scales and fuel check (on purpose), then you can be suspended for one year. I like others have seen this done for years. It is broke and needs to be fixed.

Andrew Hill · 05-01-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Charley Downing

All I am saying what is stopping someone from putting a big inch motor or pulling weight in a car and getting someone else's combo auto HP? Example I barrow some ones 1970 350 camaro run 1.00 under in qualifying and first round I pull out 300 pounds and red light. I run 1.30 and never scale, fuel check or teardown. How mad would greg hill be then?

Don't give anyone any crazy ideas!!! Lol

It's a tough situation, considering it happened on Sunday, not much time to tear down. They should definitely weigh and check the fuel of the car. Maybe they should seal it up and tear down at the next race?

Monte Howard · 05-01-2012, 10:20 AM

If you would have beat Patrick you would have had to scale and maybe fuel. Lol
I couldn't help myself.
Like Andrew said, it was Sunday. I don't think there was enough staff there to keep the scales and fuel going and have someone go through teardown with you.
Now you can open the throttle another 1/8 of an inch. Lol

Chuck Beach · 05-01-2012, 10:48 AM

Charley,
I think that would be standard procedures for most combos getting HP (fuel check, weight and tear down), but you have been apart several times in the last few months, you made 3 qualifying runs, one within a couple hun of 1.20 under and they know you play by the rules ... LOL nice run .... I guess you should have had a better light so you did not have to run it out the back door to catch Pat ..

Charley Downing · 05-01-2012, 10:53 AM

Chuck I killed 10mph

05-01-2012, 09:47 AM	#1
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TECH gu Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TECH guys How can a combo get automatic hp when these things don’t happen after a run? No fuel check when it’s not mandatory No scale when it’s not mandatory No teardown I am not saying that I would not have passed all these things or that my combo did not need hp. All I am saying what is stopping someone from putting a big inch motor or pulling weight in a car and getting someone else's combo auto HP? Example I barrow some ones 1970 350 camaro run 1.00 under in qualifying and first round I pull out 300 pounds and red light. I run 1.30 and never scale, fuel check or teardown. How mad would greg hill be then? __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK

05-01-2012, 09:58 AM	#2
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TEC Charlie I'll give you a better example. In the short 3 day events They run qualifying, class, and up to 3 rounds of the eliminator in one day. I know some motors came with zippers. But tell me how they could possibly tear anyone down? __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

05-01-2012, 10:11 AM	#3
Sean Cour Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 458 Likes: 170 Liked 124 Times in 39 Posts	Re: Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TEC ??? __________________ Sean Cour T6066 ladle Last edited by Sean Cour; 05-01-2012 at 11:08 AM. Reason: Not enough sarcasm!

05-01-2012, 10:17 AM	#4
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TEC I believe the same thing happened a few years ago in Houston at a LODRS. Fred Henson redlighted in round 1, ran 9.89 in A/SA, and got the street Hemi in the B-body (??) hit for it. Never scaled, fuel checked or tore down. Not saying Fred, or Charley, were doing anything fishy, but it's hardly fair to add HP to a combo without checking ANYTHING. I always felt (and have heard that in some Divisions it does) that any car that gets automatic HP for -1.200 or more should be torn down automatically to insure all is accurate. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

05-01-2012, 10:05 AM	#6
Robert Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 808 Likes: 7 Liked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TEC Charley, I have asked this question for years. How can you give anyone HP without checking them? I know several people who have torn there car down after running hard enough to get automatic HP. But they volunteer to do it! I have always believed that anyone run fast enough to get HP on Monday should be required to tear down! I do not care how late it is. If they refuse then they get suspendend for one year, and they have to tear down before there first race back. If you lose the round run fast enough and go around the scales and fuel check (on purpose), then you can be suspended for one year. I like others have seen this done for years. It is broke and needs to be fixed.

05-01-2012, 10:20 AM	#8
Monte Howard Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Potomac,IL Posts: 279 Likes: 1 Liked 71 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TEC If you would have beat Patrick you would have had to scale and maybe fuel. Lol I couldn't help myself. Like Andrew said, it was Sunday. I don't think there was enough staff there to keep the scales and fuel going and have someone go through teardown with you. Now you can open the throttle another 1/8 of an inch. Lol __________________ Monte Howard 3209 STK, 3208 SS

05-01-2012, 10:48 AM	#9
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TEC Charley, I think that would be standard procedures for most combos getting HP (fuel check, weight and tear down), but you have been apart several times in the last few months, you made 3 qualifying runs, one within a couple hun of 1.20 under and they know you play by the rules ... LOL nice run .... I guess you should have had a better light so you did not have to run it out the back door to catch Pat .. __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

05-01-2012, 10:53 AM	#10
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Just a question for Bruce, Travis, Danny or any NHRA TEC Chuck I killed 10mph __________________ Charley Downing 3548 STK