Dragster chassis types pros and cons

offroadr · 08-18-2011, 11:13 PM

New member here and I am curious and learning about the different types of chassis. I am aware of 4 kinds, hardtail, slip joint, swingarm (mono shock) and 4 link. What makes one more favorable over the other? Horsepower, track conditions, etc?

offroadr · 08-22-2011, 09:04 AM

Wow, over 100 views and not one response?

Not many dragster owners here?

Chris Williams · 08-22-2011, 10:57 AM

Hardtail: old school and fine if all you ever race on is NHRA-quality and national event prepped tracks. Any bumps or poor prep will make it a tough car to get consistent. And at tracks with bumpy shutdowns can be downright scary. Advantages are mostly the simplicity of the car and the drivetrain.

Slip-tube: the next generation, helps with some of the above issues, but can't react fast enough to make a significant difference on tough tracks. Someone recently said that they think most of these cars joints don't actually slip anymore because they're too tight or rusted stiff. Advantages are that is has the simple drive train, and few moving parts.

Swing-arm: the next generation after slip-joint. The idea being, if sliding tubes work better, a hinge should work better than that. It's reasonably true, and because the hinge is in front of the engine, the drivetrain remains simple. But the unsprung weight is the entire back half of the car, the engine and everything else back there, and it just can't react very fast. It does help with the big whoop kind of bumps you get on shutdown, but doesn't do much for the little ones you see down track.

4-link: the bulk of the newer cars you see out there today. At one point people worried about the reliability of u-joints, but that's not the case anymore. Advantages include the speed that the rear-end can react and the ability to adjust them. Really helps on bumpy tracks and shutdowns, and the nice squat at the start means most have little or no tire spin a the hit. One key disadvantage is that people often don't have them adjusted right and the torque squat (one side goes down much further than the other) can make that worse.

Fully triangulated 4-link: this is what we're driving. Ours is made by Joe Monden and looks like a regular four-link but it has a lower triangulated setup at the bottom of the four-link setup that prevents the torque problem mentioned above. The rear end only moves together up and down, and it has only one shock to adjust. It has proved to be really smooth and very consistent for us.

Hope this helps,
Chris

offroadr · 08-23-2011, 09:02 AM

Thanks for the response!

Bill Baer · 08-23-2011, 09:14 AM

Hey I was out in the garage!
Chris is right on target as usual what he didn't metion is the cost difference a four link car is approximately 50% more money than a hard tail and their resale value is also higher.

offroadr · 08-23-2011, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Baer

Hey I was out in the garage!
Chris is right on target as usual what he didn't metion is the cost difference a four link car is approximately 50% more money than a hard tail and their resale value is also higher.

Seems that higher HP (TD vs SC) cars are solid or slip as well?

08-18-2011, 11:13 PM	#1
offroadr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Central IL Posts: 80 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dragster chassis types pros and cons New member here and I am curious and learning about the different types of chassis. I am aware of 4 kinds, hardtail, slip joint, swingarm (mono shock) and 4 link. What makes one more favorable over the other? Horsepower, track conditions, etc?

08-22-2011, 09:04 AM	#2
offroadr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Central IL Posts: 80 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dragster chassis types pros and cons Wow, over 100 views and not one response? Not many dragster owners here?

08-22-2011, 10:57 AM	#3
Chris Williams Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Woodinville, WA Posts: 401 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dragster chassis types pros and cons Hardtail: old school and fine if all you ever race on is NHRA-quality and national event prepped tracks. Any bumps or poor prep will make it a tough car to get consistent. And at tracks with bumpy shutdowns can be downright scary. Advantages are mostly the simplicity of the car and the drivetrain. Slip-tube: the next generation, helps with some of the above issues, but can't react fast enough to make a significant difference on tough tracks. Someone recently said that they think most of these cars joints don't actually slip anymore because they're too tight or rusted stiff. Advantages are that is has the simple drive train, and few moving parts. Swing-arm: the next generation after slip-joint. The idea being, if sliding tubes work better, a hinge should work better than that. It's reasonably true, and because the hinge is in front of the engine, the drivetrain remains simple. But the unsprung weight is the entire back half of the car, the engine and everything else back there, and it just can't react very fast. It does help with the big whoop kind of bumps you get on shutdown, but doesn't do much for the little ones you see down track. 4-link: the bulk of the newer cars you see out there today. At one point people worried about the reliability of u-joints, but that's not the case anymore. Advantages include the speed that the rear-end can react and the ability to adjust them. Really helps on bumpy tracks and shutdowns, and the nice squat at the start means most have little or no tire spin a the hit. One key disadvantage is that people often don't have them adjusted right and the torque squat (one side goes down much further than the other) can make that worse. Fully triangulated 4-link: this is what we're driving. Ours is made by Joe Monden and looks like a regular four-link but it has a lower triangulated setup at the bottom of the four-link setup that prevents the torque problem mentioned above. The rear end only moves together up and down, and it has only one shock to adjust. It has proved to be really smooth and very consistent for us. Hope this helps, Chris __________________ Chris Williams 6304 SC, TD, ET

08-23-2011, 09:02 AM	#4
offroadr Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Central IL Posts: 80 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dragster chassis types pros and cons Thanks for the response!

08-23-2011, 09:14 AM	#5
Bill Baer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Nothern IL Posts: 596 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Dragster chassis types pros and cons Hey I was out in the garage! Chris is right on target as usual what he didn't metion is the cost difference a four link car is approximately 50% more money than a hard tail and their resale value is also higher. __________________ Bill Baer 3391 SC, 339B SC, QR