DQ at Reading

Larry Hill · 09-12-2025, 10:58 AM

What happened to stock 1778?

Joe Santangelo · 09-12-2025, 01:29 PM

My teardown was complete and the carb, engine and head all passed. The engine was being reassembled and one of the tech guys noticed holes in the secondary blades of the carburetor that has been checked three times in the last 5 years and countless times when the car owner himself raced it. After the Williams DQ at Indy it never crossed my mind to even check mine seeing how many times that carburetor has been inspected already. Tough DQ to deal with when the National Tech director tells you he knows it does not enhance performance but has to DQ you. But, it is clearly in the book.

Just because you have been inspected before does not mean you are legal. If you run a carb let my misfortune help you and check those blades with your own eyes.

Jeff Niceswanger · 09-12-2025, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Santangelo

My teardown was complete and the carb, engine and head all passed. The engine was being reassembled and one of the tech guys noticed holes in the secondary blades of the carburetor that has been checked three times in the last 5 years and countless times when the car owner himself raced it. After the Williams DQ at Indy it never crossed my mind to even check mine seeing how many times that carburetor has been inspected already. Tough DQ to deal with when the National Tech director tells you he knows it does not enhance performance but has to DQ you. But, it is clearly in the book.

Just because you have been inspected before does not mean you are legal. If you run a carb let my misfortune help you and check those blades with your own eyes.

Things like this don't help their reputation any...

GTS340 · 09-12-2025, 01:59 PM

If there are holes in the blades. It's getting a fuel signal.

Paul H

Joe Santangelo · 09-12-2025, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS340

If there are holes in the blades. It's getting a fuel signal.

Paul H

When it is idling or when the blades are vertical?

dean ribeiro · 09-12-2025, 03:31 PM

I think we are all missing the point here!

Alan Roehrich · 09-12-2025, 03:37 PM

Holes drilled in throttle blades on carburetors are simply to allow the throttle blades to be closed enough at idle to not expose the transition or intermediate circuit, so that excess fuel is not added, and idle mixture can be fully controlled by the idle circuit. It merely allows the carburetor to idle on the idle circuit. The holes are NOT there to expose any of the transition, intermediate, main, or other enrichment circuit to any signal, but rather, in fact, NOT to.

In the case of the Holley carburetors, they are in the secondary plates to allow the secondaries to move some of the air required to make the engine idle. The ALLOWED modifications to the Holley carburetors INCLUDES replacing the secondary metering block or metering plate with a different plate that MAY include an idle circuit. The rule in question was there to prevent, for some reason, the use of four corner idle circuits and adjustability. Currently, when using a secondary metering block or plate that includes and idle circuit, you are supposed to block the idle mixture adjustment screws with plugs.

Brett C · 09-12-2025, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Santangelo

My teardown was complete and the carb, engine and head all passed. The engine was being reassembled and one of the tech guys noticed holes in the secondary blades of the carburetor that has been checked three times in the last 5 years and countless times when the car owner himself raced it. After the Williams DQ at Indy it never crossed my mind to even check mine seeing how many times that carburetor has been inspected already. Tough DQ to deal with when the National Tech director tells you he knows it does not enhance performance but has to DQ you. But, it is clearly in the book.

Just because you have been inspected before does not mean you are legal. If you run a carb let my misfortune help you and check those blades with your own eyes.

Appreciate your transparency Joe. Best of luck the rest of the season.

Dave Ficacci · 09-12-2025, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dean ribeiro

I think we are all missing the point here!

Tell us Dean. You and your NE brethren always seem to have something to say when a topic about Santangelo arises. Sad part is you guys bitch and complain on classracer, Facebook etc but none of you have the stones to walk over to his trailer and address it with him or put up the money with NHRA and have him throughly checked

dean ribeiro · 09-12-2025, 04:07 PM

Hey Dave- any time you would like to come visit me- you are welcome! As for my feelings for Joe- he is clear how I feel. I spoke with him face to face at Charlotte. I would suggest you first learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth! I do not need anyone to speak on my behalf. Dave you should also know that I speak from facts not emotions!

09-12-2025, 10:58 AM	#1
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09-12-2025, 01:29 PM	#2
Joe Santangelo Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: MARLBOROUGH CT Posts: 165 Likes: 228 Liked 248 Times in 22 Posts	Re: DQ at Reading My teardown was complete and the carb, engine and head all passed. The engine was being reassembled and one of the tech guys noticed holes in the secondary blades of the carburetor that has been checked three times in the last 5 years and countless times when the car owner himself raced it. After the Williams DQ at Indy it never crossed my mind to even check mine seeing how many times that carburetor has been inspected already. Tough DQ to deal with when the National Tech director tells you he knows it does not enhance performance but has to DQ you. But, it is clearly in the book. Just because you have been inspected before does not mean you are legal. If you run a carb let my misfortune help you and check those blades with your own eyes. Last edited by Joe Santangelo; 09-12-2025 at 01:32 PM.

09-12-2025, 01:59 PM	#4
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 879 Likes: 285 Liked 1,361 Times in 416 Posts	Re: DQ at Reading If there are holes in the blades. It's getting a fuel signal. Paul H

09-12-2025, 03:31 PM	#6
dean ribeiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: candia, nh Posts: 528 Likes: 59 Liked 241 Times in 80 Posts	Re: DQ at Reading I think we are all missing the point here!

09-12-2025, 03:37 PM	#7
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,136 Likes: 1,612 Liked 1,922 Times in 432 Posts	Re: DQ at Reading Holes drilled in throttle blades on carburetors are simply to allow the throttle blades to be closed enough at idle to not expose the transition or intermediate circuit, so that excess fuel is not added, and idle mixture can be fully controlled by the idle circuit. It merely allows the carburetor to idle on the idle circuit. The holes are NOT there to expose any of the transition, intermediate, main, or other enrichment circuit to any signal, but rather, in fact, NOT to. In the case of the Holley carburetors, they are in the secondary plates to allow the secondaries to move some of the air required to make the engine idle. The ALLOWED modifications to the Holley carburetors INCLUDES replacing the secondary metering block or metering plate with a different plate that MAY include an idle circuit. The rule in question was there to prevent, for some reason, the use of four corner idle circuits and adjustability. Currently, when using a secondary metering block or plate that includes and idle circuit, you are supposed to block the idle mixture adjustment screws with plugs. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

09-12-2025, 04:07 PM	#10
dean ribeiro Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: candia, nh Posts: 528 Likes: 59 Liked 241 Times in 80 Posts	Re: DQ at Reading Hey Dave- any time you would like to come visit me- you are welcome! As for my feelings for Joe- he is clear how I feel. I spoke with him face to face at Charlotte. I would suggest you first learn what you are talking about before you open your mouth! I do not need anyone to speak on my behalf. Dave you should also know that I speak from facts not emotions!