Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I

Bob Pagano · 09-04-2010, 08:41 AM

Duster ! Take a good look at the class wins at Indy, the small block DP cars run E F G H. I would wait until nhra makes a decision on how to factor all the new bogus combos weather DP or CJ. Or if you are going to run IHRA at least they have separate classes for them.
Keep your 64, fits more classes.

426Fred · 09-04-2010, 10:01 AM

I've just joined classracer.com and this is my first post. I have done some bracket racing and a little supercomp racing. I have a 1964 Plymouth Savoy and a 1965 Plymouth Belvedere. I am planning on going stock racing next spring and was thinking of starting out with maybe a 383 combination and working my way up from there once I learn what the heck I'm doing. Does anyone have any ideas as to which car would be the best platform with the engine combinations that are available? Both cars are in equaly excellant shape. My only concern is that with the Cobras and Dragpacks dominating the upper classes, am I wasting my time with a goal of racing A or B stock in the future. Maybe I should sell both cars and race a Duster in a lower class.

X-TECH MAN · 09-04-2010, 10:17 AM

Run the 383. Its less expensive and you wont have to run a DP or CJ until the manufacturers start putting the enges into large station wagons.....LOL.

426Fred · 09-04-2010, 10:19 AM

Thanks for your input, would the 65 be a better platform for the 383 then the 64?

Floyd Staggs · 09-04-2010, 11:04 AM

If I remember correctly the savoy is a little lighter.

X-TECH MAN · 09-04-2010, 11:11 AM

I like the look of a 64 better myself even though I owned a 65 Belvedere when new. I think either would be about the same performance wise. Both are cool looking though.

426Fred · 09-04-2010, 11:18 AM

Does anyone have John Shaul's public contact info. It has been suggested that I contact him to help me with the combination. Everyone's help is very much appreaciated !!

John Lang · 09-04-2010, 11:31 AM

426Fred-------- I have and race a 65 Coronet in SS/CA, and I would race the 64 Ply, if I had the option ! The 64 lends itself to better choice's for stock or should I say MORE choice's ! Anything from the 383-426S wedge to the Max Wedge ! Take your pick ! You'll have a Blast ! I also about the HEMI, (how could I forget that) ! Later............John

John Bender · 09-04-2010, 03:30 PM

Hi Fred, the contact phone number for John Shaul is (518) 827-5463. I would wait a week or so before calling as he went out in the first round at Indy. He is the man to talk to. He has a very fast 1965 Dodge Coronet 383 car. I believe it runs I/SA. He also has a 1967 Barracuda 383 car in F/SA that is also very fast. I would go with the 64 car if you intend to move up to the faster classes later on. The 65 car is competitive right now with a 273, and the 383. The 426 street wedge is not a real good combination. Good luck with your projects.

John Bender "Cheap Thrills" 1967 GTX E/SA

treessavoy · 09-08-2010, 02:28 PM

I talked to John at the Nat's about this same subject. His suggestion was to run the '64 with the 383, the problem with the 426S is that it must breathe through the same heads and carb as the 383. The carb is just not big enough to allow the extra cubes to breathe, plus the 383 HP is lower.

JimR

09-04-2010, 08:41 AM	#1
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 239 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I Duster ! Take a good look at the class wins at Indy, the small block DP cars run E F G H. I would wait until nhra makes a decision on how to factor all the new bogus combos weather DP or CJ. Or if you are going to run IHRA at least they have separate classes for them. Keep your 64, fits more classes. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

09-04-2010, 10:01 AM	#2
426Fred Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sewell, New Jersey Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I I've just joined classracer.com and this is my first post. I have done some bracket racing and a little supercomp racing. I have a 1964 Plymouth Savoy and a 1965 Plymouth Belvedere. I am planning on going stock racing next spring and was thinking of starting out with maybe a 383 combination and working my way up from there once I learn what the heck I'm doing. Does anyone have any ideas as to which car would be the best platform with the engine combinations that are available? Both cars are in equaly excellant shape. My only concern is that with the Cobras and Dragpacks dominating the upper classes, am I wasting my time with a goal of racing A or B stock in the future. Maybe I should sell both cars and race a Duster in a lower class.

09-04-2010, 10:17 AM	#3
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I Run the 383. Its less expensive and you wont have to run a DP or CJ until the manufacturers start putting the enges into large station wagons.....LOL.

09-04-2010, 10:19 AM	#4
426Fred Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sewell, New Jersey Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I Thanks for your input, would the 65 be a better platform for the 383 then the 64?

09-04-2010, 11:04 AM	#5
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,522 Likes: 147 Liked 229 Times in 99 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I If I remember correctly the savoy is a little lighter. __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

09-04-2010, 11:11 AM	#6
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I I like the look of a 64 better myself even though I owned a 65 Belvedere when new. I think either would be about the same performance wise. Both are cool looking though.

09-04-2010, 11:18 AM	#7
426Fred Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Sewell, New Jersey Posts: 74 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I Does anyone have John Shaul's public contact info. It has been suggested that I contact him to help me with the combination. Everyone's help is very much appreaciated !!

09-04-2010, 11:31 AM	#8
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I 426Fred-------- I have and race a 65 Coronet in SS/CA, and I would race the 64 Ply, if I had the option ! The 64 lends itself to better choice's for stock or should I say MORE choice's ! Anything from the 383-426S wedge to the Max Wedge ! Take your pick ! You'll have a Blast ! I also about the HEMI, (how could I forget that) ! Later............John __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

09-04-2010, 03:30 PM	#9
John Bender Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Linden, New Jersey Posts: 142 Likes: 0 Liked 61 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I Hi Fred, the contact phone number for John Shaul is (518) 827-5463. I would wait a week or so before calling as he went out in the first round at Indy. He is the man to talk to. He has a very fast 1965 Dodge Coronet 383 car. I believe it runs I/SA. He also has a 1967 Barracuda 383 car in F/SA that is also very fast. I would go with the 64 car if you intend to move up to the faster classes later on. The 65 car is competitive right now with a 273, and the 383. The 426 street wedge is not a real good combination. Good luck with your projects. John Bender "Cheap Thrills" 1967 GTX E/SA __________________ John Bender 1969 STK

09-08-2010, 02:28 PM	#10
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Which to race, 1964 Savoy or 1965 Belvedere I I talked to John at the Nat's about this same subject. His suggestion was to run the '64 with the 383, the problem with the 426S is that it must breathe through the same heads and carb as the 383. The carb is just not big enough to allow the extra cubes to breathe, plus the 383 HP is lower. JimR __________________ Jim Rountree