Hood Scoops to Comp

[Don Kennedy]

Since NHRA Competiton Eliminator car count is down what about moving any car in Super Stock that has an after market Hood scoop on it to Comp eliminator . this would be a good move on NHRA part to help save Comp Eliminator to help increase the car count in that eliminator would be a wise move or a bad move ??.

let it rip boys and girls

ps The post has absolutely nothing to do with anyone personally Just a simple post so Please no one read into this other than what was posted .Just maybe a way to save comp if it is in trouble with car count , just a simple statement nothing more everyone wheww

[Ed Carpenter]

This one should be good. Only the guys with modified cars will be pi**ed off. Good luck with this.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

This one should be good. Only the guys with modified cars will be pi**ed off. Good luck with this.

I guess Don doesn't have an agenda with this idea.If someone has the patience to list all the so called Pro Sportsman Racers I think you'll see quite a number run hood scoop cars. That means he has a better chance to go a round or two.Wadda ya say Don?
I don't have to deal with them so it's just an "opinion" on my part.

[Ed Carpenter]

How about DeFrank and Fletcher to start.

[Don Kennedy]

Ed You crack me up you think anyone who has an new idea or starts a post has an agenda which is nothing wrong with that you just make me laugh

oh ed by the way I could care less about the touring pro sportsman fyi

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Ed You crack me up you think anyone who has an new idea or starts a post has an agenda which is nothing wrong with that you just make me laugh

oh ed by the way I could care less about the touring pro sportsman fyi

Yeah I can see that.I'm glad I make you laugh.Good night Don.
Wanna make an offer on the mini diapers?

[442OLDS]

Not to hijack the thread,but I really need an explanation of Comp Eliminator.I really don't understand it anymore.

I was reading my last National Dragster and a comment was made about not wanting to take a permanent hit,even in the final,by running .66 or .67 under.

" I'm just not going to render this car useless" was the quote.

How does Comp work?

It doesn't sound like a very appealing class.Run too slow and you lose,but run too fast and your car is useless?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Not to hijack the thread,but I really need an explanation of Comp Eliminator.I really don't understand it anymore.

I was reading my last National Dragster and a comment was made about not wanting to take a permanent hit,even in the final,by running .66 or .67 under.

" I'm just not going to render this car useless" was the quote.

How does Comp work?

It doesn't sound like a very appealing class.Run too slow and you lose,but run too fast and your car is useless?

Comp can be, at times, confusing. It's almost a combination of bracket racing and first to the stripe.

Two cars (except those in the same class) are handicapped off of their class index. First one to the stripe wins. But there is a catch, the Competition Index Control (CIC). Similar to the -1.40 under rule for S/SS racing. If a driver runs more than -.509 under their Index in eliminations, their Index is reduced one hundreth, for each hundreth they exceed the -.50, temporarily (for that race only, for that driver only). After a driver runs more than -.610 under their original Index, it becomes a permanent Class index adjustment, for everyone in that class. For example:

A driver is competing in C/Altered, with an Index of 8.00. In winning the first round, they run 7.460. Meaning their Index for round two is 7.96. Second round their opponent redlights, so they can lift and "save the Index". Round three, they win, and run 7.423, seconds, so their Index for the semifinals is 7.93. They win the semifinals, running 7.400. Their Index for the final will be 7.90. If they do not run any quicker than 7.391 in the final, the Index will return to 8.00 for everyone in C/A following the event. However, if that driver runs 7.350 in the final (regardless of a win or loss), the Index will be 7.95 for everyone in C/A in the country. The permanent Index hit chart is as follows:

-.61 under original Index = .01 permanent change
-.62 = .02
-.63 = .03
-.64 = .04
-.65.to -.699 = .05
-.710 = .06
-.72 = .07
-.73 = .08
-.74 = .09
-.750 and more = .10.
A tenth is the maximum penalty a driver/class can incur in one event. A driver that runs -.800 under in round one will lose three tenths for round two, but only one tenth permanently. So for round two, the Index will be 7.70 for yourself, and adjusted to 7.90 for everyone the following Monday

Now, back the temporary CIC deal. If you have accrued .07 temporary penalties in C/A (having run 7.928, adjusting the original Index down from 8.00 to 7.93) and another C/A racer has accumulated .02 (down to 7.98), if you race each other in eliminations, the Index goes back to 8.00 for you both, and it's heads-up. The winner will revert back to their adjusted Index (plus any penalty incurred in the Class run) for the next round. So, if you run 7.410 in your Class run, your Index goes from the previous 7.93 to 7.91 for the next round. So, you need to get their first, but attempt to do so by the slimmest of margine, to minimize any Index penalties. If a racer causes a permanent Index adjustment in two different classes, he/she is relegated to those two classes for the remainder of the season.

Hope this helps. How'd I do, Professor Ring?

[Greg Hill]

I realize this will never happen, but the best place for the hood scoop cars in super stock would be modified eliminator. Run it just like stock and super stock off indexes and dial in. I think there would be a bunch of cars built for the class. Maybe give the older cars a weight break.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy

Since NHRA Competiton Eliminator car count is down what about moving any car in Super Stock that has an after market Hood scoop on it to Comp eliminator . this would be a good move on NHRA part to help save Comp Eliminator to help increase the car count in that eliminator would be a wise move or a bad move ??

Once again, you have to think long term and consider all of the ramifications. The faulty premise here is presuming that all hood scoop cars would 1) continue to race and 2) would race in Comp eliminator. In all likelihood, all this would accomplish would be some "hood scoop" racers quit, and other build a different combination. This would be like telling certain Stock & Super Stock cars, "Oh, you run 9's... you can just run Super Gas." And how many have done that? Exactly 1, I believe. So, you end up not only NOT increasing car counts in Comp, but decreasing the car count in Super Stock, while simultaneously devaluing the equipment owned by a large number of racers.

As a conservative, you should know that you cannot successfully legislate an outcome. Don't "abandon free market principles to save the free market." The sanctioning body does not *create* participation. It creates an environment where participation may exist, if the customers like that environment and its incentives.

$.02,