American Muscle at The Dutch

David Barton · 09-11-2012, 07:25 PM

Does anyone know what the rules and weights are for this race? I'm trying to decide which class and combination to run.

Ryck Campbell · 09-12-2012, 03:29 PM

Posted on the D-1 website earlier today.

David Barton · 09-12-2012, 05:28 PM

I guess I can't run this class. I can't come within 300+ lbs of that weight. How about a .30 head start on the tree? Yeah, right.

2900 lbs = 300-450 ci N/A
3475 lbs = 451+ ci N/A
3675 lbs = Supercharged

Caleb Hansen · 09-13-2012, 02:57 PM

I agree maybe the best thing to do is head out west for a vacation instead.

David Barton · 09-13-2012, 10:27 PM

No way, the Dutch Classic is my favorite race. We'll have to postpone that vacation.

Nick Heath · 09-22-2012, 05:54 PM

David, did you see the update posted yesterday?

http://www.nhradiv1.com/content/divn...2429&zoneid=12

Quote:

2. WEIGHT BREAKS: 300-450 CID NATURALLY ASPIRATED- 3300#, 451+ NATURALLY ASPIRATED- 3400#, ALL SUPERCHARGED – 3500#
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6. INDEXES - 300-450 CID 10.60et, 451+ CID naturally aspirated 10.30et, all supercharged 10.00et
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12. to separate each weightbreak, CLASS DESIGNATION for all supercharged will be FS/SA, 451+ naturally aspirated will be FS/SB and 300-450 naturally aspirated will be FS/SC.

David Barton · 09-23-2012, 12:17 AM

Yes, I did. I have to say I'm surprised and very impressed. This is the only way it could ever work. It's not a perfect system but it's a step in the right direction.

Lew Silverman · 09-23-2012, 07:32 PM

So now this is 3 classes in an Eliminator within another Eliminator?

How will this be handicapped? You qualify off of the NEW index, which puts you on the ladder, but do you "dial-your-own", or do you run off the index?

And with no AHFS in force, the quickest car wins, correct?

And, BTW, you don't have to run this new Eliminator, you can still run your natural Stock Class?

Sorry for so many questions, but this is getting a little confusing. (At least to me!)

Lew

MikeFicacci · 09-23-2012, 07:43 PM

It's going to run like it did last year.

If you claim one of these three classes, that is where you stay in the eliminator.

There is no ladder at the Dutch. It's an Open with random first round pairings.

The first car to the finish line wins not the one furthest under the index just like any other "heads up" race.

Should be neat. Not sure who has the advantage. None the less, should be fun as was last year.

Jesse Kershaw · 09-24-2012, 11:27 AM

Kudos to Bob Lang (Division Director) and Gary Richards (race sponsor) for taking this step to grow the class. I agree that this is a solid step in the right direction and builds on the lessons learned at Indy.

3500lbs w/driver should be reasonable for the supercharged combos and 3300lbs for the NA V8's should be attainable.

I encourage all eligible racers to run this class. Only with participation will we be able to continue and refine the rules and bring some exciting heads-up racing to Stock. I am looking forward to seeing this!

09-11-2012, 07:25 PM	#1
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	American Muscle at The Dutch Does anyone know what the rules and weights are for this race? I'm trying to decide which class and combination to run.

09-12-2012, 03:29 PM	#2
Ryck Campbell Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rome, NY Posts: 56 Likes: 176 Liked 46 Times in 10 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch Posted on the D-1 website earlier today. __________________ Ryck Campbell NHRA Technical Specialist

09-12-2012, 05:28 PM	#3
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch I guess I can't run this class. I can't come within 300+ lbs of that weight. How about a .30 head start on the tree? Yeah, right. 2900 lbs = 300-450 ci N/A 3475 lbs = 451+ ci N/A 3675 lbs = Supercharged

09-13-2012, 02:57 PM	#4
Caleb Hansen Junior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Sumas Wa Posts: 21 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch I agree maybe the best thing to do is head out west for a vacation instead.

09-13-2012, 10:27 PM	#5
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch No way, the Dutch Classic is my favorite race. We'll have to postpone that vacation.

09-23-2012, 12:17 AM	#7
David Barton Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 199 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch Yes, I did. I have to say I'm surprised and very impressed. This is the only way it could ever work. It's not a perfect system but it's a step in the right direction.

09-23-2012, 07:32 PM	#8
Lew Silverman VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,435 Likes: 371 Liked 129 Times in 59 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch So now this is 3 classes in an Eliminator within another Eliminator? How will this be handicapped? You qualify off of the NEW index, which puts you on the ladder, but do you "dial-your-own", or do you run off the index? And with no AHFS in force, the quickest car wins, correct? And, BTW, you don't have to run this new Eliminator, you can still run your natural Stock Class? Sorry for so many questions, but this is getting a little confusing. (At least to me!) Lew __________________ Lew Silverman #2070 "The Wagon Master" N/SA

09-23-2012, 07:43 PM	#9
MikeFicacci Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 242 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 2 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch It's going to run like it did last year. If you claim one of these three classes, that is where you stay in the eliminator. There is no ladder at the Dutch. It's an Open with random first round pairings. The first car to the finish line wins not the one furthest under the index just like any other "heads up" race. Should be neat. Not sure who has the advantage. None the less, should be fun as was last year. __________________ Mike Ficacci Stk 1010

09-24-2012, 11:27 AM	#10
Jesse Kershaw Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 108 Likes: 6 Liked 122 Times in 11 Posts	Re: American Muscle at The Dutch Kudos to Bob Lang (Division Director) and Gary Richards (race sponsor) for taking this step to grow the class. I agree that this is a solid step in the right direction and builds on the lessons learned at Indy. 3500lbs w/driver should be reasonable for the supercharged combos and 3300lbs for the NA V8's should be attainable. I encourage all eligible racers to run this class. Only with participation will we be able to continue and refine the rules and bring some exciting heads-up racing to Stock. I am looking forward to seeing this! __________________ Jesse Kershaw