Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks?

Larry Miller Jr · 03-22-2012, 09:44 PM

I don't post that often but this,has been eating at me. Had a buddy of mine go to Mason Dixon this weekend to test. Was told he would need a diaper to run the next time he comes. This was going to be a track rule for any car 9.99 and quicker,was told Maple Grove and Cecil County were also going to enforce this rule. If this is true is this going to be enforced at the points races and combo races. As it is I have no plans to install one on my car. How can NHRA tracks enforce a rule that NHRA doesn't have in the rule book. This is getting as bad as the dirt tracks having there own rules for each track. Anyone care to comment?

Bunk Miller
SS/FA 1725

Ed Wright · 03-22-2012, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Miller Jr

I don't post that often but this,has been eating at me. Had a buddy of mine go to Mason Dixon this weekend to test. Was told he would need a diaper to run the next time he comes. This was going to be a track rule for any car 9.99 and quicker,was told Maple Grove and Cecil County were also going to enforce this rule. If this is true is this going to be enforced at the points races and combo races. As it is I have no plans to install one on my car. How can NHRA tGracks enforce a rule that NHRA doesn't have in the rule book. This is getting as bad as the dirt tracks having there own rules for each track. Anyone care to comment?

Bunk Miller
SS/FA 1725

Same rule here at Tulsa for bracket races.

Rick Bailey · 03-22-2012, 09:53 PM

Why do people fight a insurance policy !

Ask the young man that was killed in his bracket car this past weekend @ San Antonio, blew the motor , thru the traps and hit both walls..... No Diaper !

A $ 169.00 diaper just might have saved his life................

I'm so confused !

Rick

Jeff Jewell · 03-22-2012, 10:06 PM

Division 1 is requiring that all bracket cars faster than 9.99 or 135 have a diaper. As far as I know, this is not going to apply to Stock and Super Stock. I could see an instance of this where a local track might require a Stock or Super Stock car to have a diaper if they were going to run a test and tune or bracket class.

I bracket race my Corvette a lot, so I had to install one. It was a pain to get on and I had to order a $500 + custom fit diaper. My Dad is not planning on installing one in his SS/DA Corvette, unless NHRA tells him he has to have one.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Jewell

Ed Wright · 03-22-2012, 10:14 PM

Our tech director said there is no talk of requiring diapers for S & SS.

They aren't required here for S & SS cars unless bracket racing.

If I ran an engine-on-a-stick I wouldn't give one a second thought either.

BBF67 · 03-23-2012, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Bailey

Why do people fight a insurance policy !

Ask the young man that was killed in his bracket car this past weekend @ San Antonio, blew the motor , thru the traps and hit both walls..... No Diaper !

A $ 169.00 diaper just might have saved his life................

I'm so confused !

Rick

Go to http://www.sanantonioraceway.com/

Rollins_2241 · 03-23-2012, 04:53 PM

If I'm a track owner and am liable for what happens at my facility, I'll require whatever safety equipment I want - or I won't open the gates.

BBF67 · 03-23-2012, 05:22 PM

A diaper could well have saved the driver on the 10 second bracket car.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...458130&page=13

George Mirza · 03-23-2012, 09:29 PM

This is a very 'gray" area when it comes to what safety rules class cars have to use. We have dealt with this a few times with the ASRA races. Usually the car has to fit the rules for the class it's built to race in, not the type of race that it is racing in.

Bottom line is it's up to the track. They may let you test, or run specialty races, like Stk/SS combo's, but if your going to run every week for points you'll need all the safety equiptment required for the bracket your running.

Remember, it's your ***** in the seat, as racers we try to ignor the thoughts about the consequenses of our sport. Things break, accidents happen, it's up to YOU to make sure your car is as safe as possible, and sometimes it's still not enough!

Larry, in no way is this last paragraph directed at you, I understand the situation that many stock and SS races are facing with the diaper rule. Good rule, but can be very difficult and expensive to fit a diaper correctly on most class cars.

George Mirza
ASRA B.O.D.

Brian VP · 03-23-2012, 10:32 PM

I have first hand experience with racing accidents and I can tell you that anything that we can do to possibly prevent them is a good thing. As most of you know, we own a speed shop and everytime that someone comes in to buy there "NEW" seat belts, I hear the same old line "There is nothing wrong with my belts, NHRA is probably getting a kick back." As they complain while they spend their $70 for seat belts they normally follow that telling me about the thousands of dollars that they spent on their car so that they can pick up a tenth of a second. Something else that we all need to understand, something like the diaper rule, effects more than yourself. If you want to run old belts or no belts, if you hate yourself that much than so be it, but running a diaper prevents you from running in front of the person in the other lane and affecting their life. I have learned something over the last 10 years of my life. I love racing, I love it so much that even after the thousands of runs that I have made I still shake after a round of eliminations, but I love my life more. I love my wife, my son, my family, and my friends a whole lot more. We spend a lot of money racing and to be honest the safety aspect is probably one of the cheapest things that we spend money on. So we spend $70 every 2 years for belts. Maybe $500 for a diaper if you need a custom diaper. Pants, jackets, gloves, neck collar. That is it. So lets estimate on the high side you spend $1000 for safety equipment. I would have to think that most people would probably say that to go to a points race or national event for the weekend would probably cost them the same. So tell me is your life worth that weekend? It isn't for me.

03-22-2012, 09:44 PM	#1
Larry Miller Jr Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Gettysburg PA Posts: 13 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? I don't post that often but this,has been eating at me. Had a buddy of mine go to Mason Dixon this weekend to test. Was told he would need a diaper to run the next time he comes. This was going to be a track rule for any car 9.99 and quicker,was told Maple Grove and Cecil County were also going to enforce this rule. If this is true is this going to be enforced at the points races and combo races. As it is I have no plans to install one on my car. How can NHRA tracks enforce a rule that NHRA doesn't have in the rule book. This is getting as bad as the dirt tracks having there own rules for each track. Anyone care to comment? Bunk Miller SS/FA 1725

03-22-2012, 09:53 PM	#3
Rick Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 502 Likes: 5 Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? Why do people fight a insurance policy ! Ask the young man that was killed in his bracket car this past weekend @ San Antonio, blew the motor , thru the traps and hit both walls..... No Diaper ! A $ 169.00 diaper just might have saved his life................ I'm so confused ! Rick __________________ Rick Bailey 3439 SC

03-22-2012, 10:06 PM	#4
Jeff Jewell Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bangor, PA Posts: 182 Likes: 41 Liked 171 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? Division 1 is requiring that all bracket cars faster than 9.99 or 135 have a diaper. As far as I know, this is not going to apply to Stock and Super Stock. I could see an instance of this where a local track might require a Stock or Super Stock car to have a diaper if they were going to run a test and tune or bracket class. I bracket race my Corvette a lot, so I had to install one. It was a pain to get on and I had to order a $500 + custom fit diaper. My Dad is not planning on installing one in his SS/DA Corvette, unless NHRA tells him he has to have one. Hope this helps. Jeff Jewell

03-22-2012, 10:14 PM	#5
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? Our tech director said there is no talk of requiring diapers for S & SS. They aren't required here for S & SS cars unless bracket racing. If I ran an engine-on-a-stick I wouldn't give one a second thought either. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

03-23-2012, 04:53 PM	#7
Rollins_2241 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 170 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? If I'm a track owner and am liable for what happens at my facility, I'll require whatever safety equipment I want - or I won't open the gates.

03-23-2012, 05:22 PM	#8
BBF67 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 89 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? A diaper could well have saved the driver on the 10 second bracket car. http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...458130&page=13

03-23-2012, 09:29 PM	#9
George Mirza Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: North Attleborough Ma. Posts: 522 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? This is a very 'gray" area when it comes to what safety rules class cars have to use. We have dealt with this a few times with the ASRA races. Usually the car has to fit the rules for the class it's built to race in, not the type of race that it is racing in. Bottom line is it's up to the track. They may let you test, or run specialty races, like Stk/SS combo's, but if your going to run every week for points you'll need all the safety equiptment required for the bracket your running. Remember, it's your ***** in the seat, as racers we try to ignor the thoughts about the consequenses of our sport. Things break, accidents happen, it's up to YOU to make sure your car is as safe as possible, and sometimes it's still not enough! Larry, in no way is this last paragraph directed at you, I understand the situation that many stock and SS races are facing with the diaper rule. Good rule, but can be very difficult and expensive to fit a diaper correctly on most class cars. George Mirza ASRA B.O.D.

03-23-2012, 10:32 PM	#10
Brian VP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 144 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: Diaper required at Division 1 Tracks? I have first hand experience with racing accidents and I can tell you that anything that we can do to possibly prevent them is a good thing. As most of you know, we own a speed shop and everytime that someone comes in to buy there "NEW" seat belts, I hear the same old line "There is nothing wrong with my belts, NHRA is probably getting a kick back." As they complain while they spend their $70 for seat belts they normally follow that telling me about the thousands of dollars that they spent on their car so that they can pick up a tenth of a second. Something else that we all need to understand, something like the diaper rule, effects more than yourself. If you want to run old belts or no belts, if you hate yourself that much than so be it, but running a diaper prevents you from running in front of the person in the other lane and affecting their life. I have learned something over the last 10 years of my life. I love racing, I love it so much that even after the thousands of runs that I have made I still shake after a round of eliminations, but I love my life more. I love my wife, my son, my family, and my friends a whole lot more. We spend a lot of money racing and to be honest the safety aspect is probably one of the cheapest things that we spend money on. So we spend $70 every 2 years for belts. Maybe $500 for a diaper if you need a custom diaper. Pants, jackets, gloves, neck collar. That is it. So lets estimate on the high side you spend $1000 for safety equipment. I would have to think that most people would probably say that to go to a points race or national event for the weekend would probably cost them the same. So tell me is your life worth that weekend? It isn't for me. __________________ Brian Van Poppel 1682 SS