D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option

Firepower · 09-08-2007, 09:49 AM

This is off topic but I figured that some of the racers here may remember this little known factory super stock option Dodge from 1966.

I run a website dedicated to gathering both the history and present day whereabouts of the 50 D/Darts made in 1966. It is at http://www.seriousviewers.com/D-Dart/ddart.htm
There you can find how to ID one of the D/Darts. These were factory modified cars with unique SS VIN's rather than the standard HP Darts.

We have ID'd the names of about 8 of them as raced in 1966-1967. About 9 or so have been found present day. Three of them are shown as they are today.
I also interviewed some of the owners and drivers.

I have a long way to go to find or ID the original 50 so any help you can offer would be appreciated.
I can use anything you remember about these cars. Stories, old photos, names of the cars as raced, new photos, etc.

To save space on this message board you can contact me from my website email link at the bottom of the first page.

Thanks.
Alan

Myron Piatek · 09-08-2007, 11:37 AM

You might want to post the same questions at www.moparts.com
That site is a good source of Mopar related info.

Jeff Lee · 09-08-2007, 12:30 PM

I see no problem with bringing up these cars here. After all, they are a part of Stock Eliminator history! In fact, I can't think of a single car that was purposely built for Stock class. Anybody?
I always thought those were neat (although ugly) packages. I see you have the cam duration listed at 284 but what about the lift? Per the NHRA tech sheet (this engine is still listed, see www.nhra.com) it was .504"I / .514" E. Combined with the factory installed headers and 4.89:1 rear gears, they surely were screamers right off the delivery truck!
FYI, NHRA no longer has any requirements on camshaft engineering other than lift measured at the valve. NHRA shows the carb as a Holley 3778 list number. The specs aren't listed on NHRA.com which MAY open the door for "future development" of the package. The following cylinder head castings are now listed by NHRA as acceptable: 2465315,2658920,2843675,3671585,3769973,4323302. I would bet one of these castings flows better than the factory installed head. MOPAR racers could help with that answer.
I know of one but am not sure it was a factory package or converted "clone" back in the day. Owned by Mike Donolly it was raced as "The Pirate". Mike once owned / operated Phoenix Raceway Park during the late 70's thru mid-late 80's I believe. He now is retired in Ca. and I believe he still owns the car. I'll see if I can track him down and will get whatever info he has for you.

OK, after typing all this I went to NHRA's class guide. I found out this is now a Super Stock package only. Still rated at 275 HP. Probably, no definately in dire need of a HP reduction. Falls into 10.71 weight break for SS/I as a 2dr hardtop or 11.11 weight break for SS/J as a convertible (yes, NHRA says it's allowable). Well we know that SS/I is well into the 9 second times and SS/J is just touching the 9's so yes, it would definetly need some major HP reductions by NHRA. How much, I have no idea. The 235 HP engine has only been reduced -5 in SS for 230 NHRA HP and is down to 220 NHRA HP in Stock. My off-the-cuff guess would be for SS racing the engine needs to be 235 HP as the only thing the 275/273 has on a 235/273 is a larger (?) Holley carb in lieu of the Carter carb. As you may or may not know, factory headers and factory big cams mean nothing in SS class as these area's are wide open for improvements anyways. I know the 390 Ford can have a small Holley or a larger Holley (+135 CFM) with no NHRA HP penalty so maybe the D-Dart with Holley should be no different and should be rated as the 235/273 ~ NHRA rated @ 230 HP?
Paul Wong...could be a good combo for you???

Paul Ceasrine · 07-31-2010, 11:53 AM

Jeff,
On the D-Dart, Just what is allowed.
They were originally built as Dart GT 2-door sedan only.
4-speed only car.
Built for D/S in 1966 only, not Super/Stock, though it came equipped with a Super/Stock package (by Chryslers info) it was really just a
bolt-on Stocker package.
What should this car's HP rating be????
At #2941 lbs. not 275HP
HiPo

Don Whitmore · 07-31-2010, 12:09 PM

There've been several threads on here about the D-Darts and rightfully so, as it's an interesting car and part of 'factory' super stock history.

Matt Steen out of Minnesota runs a D-Dart stick car, but not sure what rating; he'd have good input on the HP rating...

Has anybody else other than Steen really raced this combo???

Paul Ceasrine · 07-31-2010, 12:23 PM

Don,
NHRA's stock car classification guide really limits this combo.
1) Still over-rated HP at 275.
2) Manual only
3) Super/Stock only
4) They list the engine with a convertible Dart also, but they never came through that way.
* You would think they would allow an automatic in this car, and allow the
66' Barracuda/Valiant to utilize this Dodge combo, and run a re-factored HP
in Stock class,
* Just who would it hurt.
PC

bigshow2966 · 07-31-2010, 06:45 PM

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=17876

ddartdude · 08-01-2010, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firepower

This is off topic but I figured that some of the racers here may remember this little known factory super stock option Dodge from 1966.

I run a website dedicated to gathering both the history and present day whereabouts of the 50 D/Darts made in 1966. It is at http://www.seriousviewers.com/D-Dart/ddart.htm
There you can find how to ID one of the D/Darts. These were factory modified cars with unique SS VIN's rather than the standard HP Darts.

We have ID'd the names of about 8 of them as raced in 1966-1967. About 9 or so have been found present day. Three of them are shown as they are today.
I also interviewed some of the owners and drivers.

I have a long way to go to find or ID the original 50 so any help you can offer would be appreciated.
I can use anything you remember about these cars. Stories, old photos, names of the cars as raced, new photos, etc.

To save space on this message board you can contact me from my website email link at the bottom of the first page.

Thanks.
Alan

Alan,
Welcome to Classracer.

Just thought I'd give you an update ...... the guy that bought my "other" D/Dart found and bought another one. It was set up and run as a road racer. I think it was only campaigned in the 1966 since the odo has only 514 miles on it. The guy sent me a photos of the car, the VIN plate and fender tag and it is a true D/Dart. The last three of the VIN are 920.

The other Alan

Todd Boyer · 08-02-2010, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Whitmore

There've been several threads on here about the D-Darts and rightfully so, as it's an interesting car and part of 'factory' super stock history.

Matt Steen out of Minnesota runs a D-Dart stick car, but not sure what rating; he'd have good input on the HP rating...

Has anybody else other than Steen really raced this combo???

Matt's car is actually a Valiant and he runs the 235/210 (I think) 273 combination not the 275 HP combo.

Paul Ceasrine · 08-02-2010, 10:08 AM

NHRA 273/235HP Ratings

273/235HP,,,Re-rated to 210HP for Stock (Was 220HP)
273/235HP,,,Re-rated to 230HP for Super/Stock

273/275HP,,1966 D-Dart (275HP for Super/Stock only)
Note" Bizzaro-World; Car was built for D/S in 1966 (10.60-11.29 wt/hp)
It was never intended or built for Super/Stock. The Dodge built package was just called a 66 Super/Stock Package. (In name only)
In 1966, the only Super/Stock class was either S/S or S/SA, for the 64'/65' Race Hemi's.
Matt Steen's car is a 66' V-100 273/235HP SS/K.

09-08-2007, 09:49 AM	#1
Firepower Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option This is off topic but I figured that some of the racers here may remember this little known factory super stock option Dodge from 1966. I run a website dedicated to gathering both the history and present day whereabouts of the 50 D/Darts made in 1966. It is at http://www.seriousviewers.com/D-Dart/ddart.htm There you can find how to ID one of the D/Darts. These were factory modified cars with unique SS VIN's rather than the standard HP Darts. We have ID'd the names of about 8 of them as raced in 1966-1967. About 9 or so have been found present day. Three of them are shown as they are today. I also interviewed some of the owners and drivers. I have a long way to go to find or ID the original 50 so any help you can offer would be appreciated. I can use anything you remember about these cars. Stories, old photos, names of the cars as raced, new photos, etc. To save space on this message board you can contact me from my website email link at the bottom of the first page. Thanks. Alan

09-08-2007, 12:30 PM	#3
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option I see no problem with bringing up these cars here. After all, they are a part of Stock Eliminator history! In fact, I can't think of a single car that was purposely built for Stock class. Anybody? I always thought those were neat (although ugly) packages. I see you have the cam duration listed at 284 but what about the lift? Per the NHRA tech sheet (this engine is still listed, see www.nhra.com) it was .504"I / .514" E. Combined with the factory installed headers and 4.89:1 rear gears, they surely were screamers right off the delivery truck! FYI, NHRA no longer has any requirements on camshaft engineering other than lift measured at the valve. NHRA shows the carb as a Holley 3778 list number. The specs aren't listed on NHRA.com which MAY open the door for "future development" of the package. The following cylinder head castings are now listed by NHRA as acceptable: 2465315,2658920,2843675,3671585,3769973,4323302. I would bet one of these castings flows better than the factory installed head. MOPAR racers could help with that answer. I know of one but am not sure it was a factory package or converted "clone" back in the day. Owned by Mike Donolly it was raced as "The Pirate". Mike once owned / operated Phoenix Raceway Park during the late 70's thru mid-late 80's I believe. He now is retired in Ca. and I believe he still owns the car. I'll see if I can track him down and will get whatever info he has for you. OK, after typing all this I went to NHRA's class guide. I found out this is now a Super Stock package only. Still rated at 275 HP. Probably, no definately in dire need of a HP reduction. Falls into 10.71 weight break for SS/I as a 2dr hardtop or 11.11 weight break for SS/J as a convertible (yes, NHRA says it's allowable). Well we know that SS/I is well into the 9 second times and SS/J is just touching the 9's so yes, it would definetly need some major HP reductions by NHRA. How much, I have no idea. The 235 HP engine has only been reduced -5 in SS for 230 NHRA HP and is down to 220 NHRA HP in Stock. My off-the-cuff guess would be for SS racing the engine needs to be 235 HP as the only thing the 275/273 has on a 235/273 is a larger (?) Holley carb in lieu of the Carter carb. As you may or may not know, factory headers and factory big cams mean nothing in SS class as these area's are wide open for improvements anyways. I know the 390 Ford can have a small Holley or a larger Holley (+135 CFM) with no NHRA HP penalty so maybe the D-Dart with Holley should be no different and should be rated as the 235/273 ~ NHRA rated @ 230 HP? Paul Wong...could be a good combo for you??? __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

07-31-2010, 11:53 AM	#4
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option Jeff, On the D-Dart, Just what is allowed. They were originally built as Dart GT 2-door sedan only. 4-speed only car. Built for D/S in 1966 only, not Super/Stock, though it came equipped with a Super/Stock package (by Chryslers info) it was really just a bolt-on Stocker package. What should this car's HP rating be???? At #2941 lbs. not 275HP HiPo

07-31-2010, 12:09 PM	#5
Don Whitmore Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 140 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option There've been several threads on here about the D-Darts and rightfully so, as it's an interesting car and part of 'factory' super stock history. Matt Steen out of Minnesota runs a D-Dart stick car, but not sure what rating; he'd have good input on the HP rating... Has anybody else other than Steen really raced this combo???

07-31-2010, 12:23 PM	#6
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option Don, NHRA's stock car classification guide really limits this combo. 1) Still over-rated HP at 275. 2) Manual only 3) Super/Stock only 4) They list the engine with a convertible Dart also, but they never came through that way. * You would think they would allow an automatic in this car, and allow the 66' Barracuda/Valiant to utilize this Dodge combo, and run a re-factored HP in Stock class, * Just who would it hurt. PC Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 07-31-2010 at 12:35 PM.

09-08-2007, 11:37 AM	#2
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option You might want to post the same questions at www.moparts.com That site is a good source of Mopar related info. __________________ LOCOMOTION Racing

07-31-2010, 06:45 PM	#7
bigshow2966 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 654 Likes: 671 Liked 179 Times in 55 Posts	Re: D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=17876

08-02-2010, 10:08 AM	#10
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: D/Dart of 1966 Super Stock option NHRA 273/235HP Ratings 273/235HP,,,Re-rated to 210HP for Stock (Was 220HP) 273/235HP,,,Re-rated to 230HP for Super/Stock 273/275HP,,1966 D-Dart (275HP for Super/Stock only) Note" Bizzaro-World; Car was built for D/S in 1966 (10.60-11.29 wt/hp) It was never intended or built for Super/Stock. The Dodge built package was just called a 66 Super/Stock Package. (In name only) In 1966, the only Super/Stock class was either S/S or S/SA, for the 64'/65' Race Hemi's. Matt Steen's car is a 66' V-100 273/235HP SS/K. Last edited by Paul Ceasrine; 08-02-2010 at 10:29 AM.